Pixel Scroll 8/11/17 “Scrollpathy for the Pixel” By The Scrolling Stones

(1) RECORD LONGEVITY. Who knew?

Or as Paul Mackintosh says at Teleread: “Hugo Awards get their own award – from the Guinness Book of World Records”.

In the course of Worldcon 75, the organizers have just announced that “the Hugo Awards have been recognized by the Guinness Book of World Records as the longest-running science fiction award.”

(2) HUGO VOTING STATISTICS. If you haven’t already seen them, here’s where you can download the reports.

(3)  IT CAUSES ME TO TINGLE. Chuck knew it all along. And had a book ready to go.

(4) BONUS WOMBAT COVERAGE. She dared to enter the Hugo Losers Party.

(5) HUGO VOTING ELIGIBILITY CHANGE. Something else passed at the business meeting —

(6) WORLDCON 75 DAILY NEWZINE. The Worldcon daily zine reports there were 4,759 visitors on Day 1. Who knows what other tidbits you’ll find in the issues linked here?

(7) ANOTHER BRILLIANT OBSERVATION. From a W75 panel:

Er, were we really that reluctant we were to being saved by heroes played by William Shatner and Lorne Greene?

(8) THE WATCHER. Jo Lindsay Walton shares sightings of “Power Couples of WorldCon: A Field Guide”.

Malcolm Devlin and Helen Marshall. Travellers to antique lands frequently flock to Shelley’s two vast and trunkless legs of stone. But why not squint up with the locals into the desert firmament azure, where hover two vast and trunkless arms of flame, Helen and Malcolm?

(9) CYCLIC HISTORY. Ah yes. Those who don’t know the lessons of fanhistory are doomed to repeat them. As are those who do know them.

(10) WIZARDLY INTERIOR DÉCOR. The Evening Standard knows where to find it: “Primark works its magic with a new Harry Potter collection”.

Witches and wizards the world over will rejoice this week at the news that Primark has announced it will be introducing a Harry Potter range to its stores in honour of the famous book series’ 20th anniversary.

The high street retailer, which is famed for its bargains, has created an official range of clothing, stationery and home accessories in line with the wizarding theme which will be available in shops from next week.

Fans of the fantasy world will be able to pick up everything from potion shaped fairy lights (£8) to cauldron mugs (£6) with some items costing as little as £2.

The wait will finally be over for those after their Hogwarts acceptance letter too, which can be bought on a cushion for £4 and whether you’re a Gryffindor, Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw or Slytherin, you’ll be able to pick up a pair of pyjamas in your house colours for just £6.

(11) BANK WITH THE BARD. Here’s what the world has been waiting for: “Batman 1966 Shakespeare Bust Bank”.

To the Batpoles! This awesome 20? tall replica of the Shakespeare bust from the 1966 Batman TV series doubles as a coin bank. Like the prop, the coin slot (along with the customary dial and button) is hidden inside the bust’s neck. See it unboxed on video here.

(12) WALKING DEAD CREATOR ANKLES TO AMAZON. From io9: “Walking Dead Creator Robert Kirkman Leaving AMC, Signs New TV Deal With Amazon”.

The Walking Dead has been a big money-making success at AMC, pulling in an impressive amount of viewers for the network. But Skybound—the entertainment company founded by The Walking Dead creator Robert Kirkman—just announced that Amazon will be the home of all their new TV content moving forward.

(13) COMIC SECTION. Chip Hitchcock found more on autonomous cars in Arctic Circle.

(14) THE TRUE SIGN OF QUALITY. Camestros Felapton (or was it Timothy?) put his marketing and design skills to the test.

(15) NUCLEAR FREE ZONE. The South China Morning Post makes an appeal: “If Trump must start a nuclear war, at least let us finish Game of Thrones first”.

I’m not worried about American lives above everyone else’s – hopefully nobody has to die because of two unhinged custodians of nuclear power taking brinkmanship too far – but there is one American who must be kept safe, no matter what.

I’m talking about George R. R. Martin, the author of the epic fantasy book series, A Song of Ice and Fire, better known to most people as Game of Thrones, the HBO hit series that is, hands down, the best show on TV these days.

… But if you’ve read the books, you’ll agree that the TV show is not a patch on Martin’s writing and sheer storytelling genius. He makes The Lord of the Rings look like a slow ride to grandma’s cottage. George R.R. Martin is J. R.R. Tolkien on steroids, and then some.

(16) LOST LIGHT. Electric Lit talks to someone who has seen Octavia Butler’s papers at the Huntington: “Now More than Ever, We Wish We Had These Lost Octavia Butler Novels”

In 2006, Butler died of a stroke outside her home in Lake Forest Park, Washington. Her many papers now reside at the Huntington, a private library in San Marino, California. Curator Natalie Russell describes the collection as including “8,000 manuscripts, letters and photographs and an additional 80 boxes of ephemera.”

On display there now are numerous treasures, including working manuscript pages from The Parable of the Sower covered in her brightly colored notes: “More Sharing; More Sickness; More Death; More Racism; More Hispanics; More High Tech.”

There are the beautiful, bold affirmations that recently went viral online, which she wrote to frame her motives for writing: “Tell Stories Filled With Facts. Make People Touch and Taste and KNOW. Make People FEEL! FEEL! FEEL!” On one page of her journals she visualized the success that she desired: “I am a Bestselling Writer. I write Bestselling Books And Excellent Short Stories. Both Books and Short Stories win prizes and awards.”

But what is not on public view are the drafts?—?the things she had hoped to write someday and never did, including The Parable of the Trickster.

Scholar Gerry Canavan described getting a look at that work-in-progress for the LA Review of Books in 2014:

Last December I had the improbable privilege to be the very first scholar to open the boxes at the Huntington that contain what Butler had written of Trickster before her death. What I found were dozens upon dozens of false starts for the novel, some petering out after twenty or thirty pages, others after just two or three; this cycle of narrative failure is recorded over hundreds of pages of discarded drafts. Frustrated by writer’s block, frustrated by blood pressure medication that she felt inhibited her creativity and vitality, and frustrated by the sense that she had no story for Trickster, only a “situation,” Butler started and stopped the novel over and over again from 1989 until her death, never getting far from the beginning.

The novel’s many abandoned openings revolve around another woman, Imara, living on an Earthseed colony in the future on a planet called “Bow,” far from Earth. It is not the heaven that was hoped for, but “gray, dank, and utterly miserable.” The people of Bow cannot return to Earth and are immeasurably homesick. Butler wrote in a note, “Think of our homesickness as a phantom-limb pain?—?a somehow neurologically incomplete amputation. Think of problems with the new world as graft-versus-host disease?—?a mutual attempt at rejection.”

(17) NEVERTHELESS. Mindy Klasky has put together an anthology by Book View Café authors, “Nevertheless, She Persisted”. It has released in July Here’s the table of contents.

“She was warned. She was given an explanation. Nevertheless, she persisted.”

Those were the words of Mitch McConnell after he banned Senator Elizabeth Warren from speaking on the floor of the United States Senate. In reaction to the bitter partisanship in Trump’s United States of America, nineteen Book View Café authors celebrate women who persist through tales of triumph—in the past, present, future, and other worlds.

From the halls of Ancient Greece to the vast space between stars, each story illustrates tenacity as women overcome challenges—from society, from beloved family and friends, and even from their own fears. These strong heroines explore the humor and tragedy of persistence in stories that range from romance to historical fiction, from fantasy to science fiction.

From tale to tale, every woman stands firm: a light against the darkness.

Table of Contents:

  • “Daughter of Necessity” by Marie Brennan
  • “Sisters” by Leah Cutter
  • “Unmasking the Ancient Light” by Deborah J. Ross
  • “Alea Iacta Est” by Marissa Doyle
  • “How Best to Serve” from A Call to Arms by P.G. Nagle
  • “After Eden” by Gillian Polack
  • “Reset” by Sara Stamey
  • “A Very, Wary Christmas” by Katharine Eliska Kimbriel
  • “Making Love” by Brenda Clough
  • “Den of Iniquity” by Irene Radford
  • “Digger Lady” by Amy Sterling Casil
  • “Tumbling Blocks” by Mindy Klasky
  • “The Purge” by Jennifer Stevenson
  • “If It Ain’t Broke” by Maya Kaathryn Bohnhoff
  • “Chataqua” by Nancy Jane Moore
  • “Bearing Shadows” by Dave Smeds
  • “In Search of Laria” by Doranna Durgin
  • “Tax Season” by Judith Tarr
  • “Little Faces” by Vonda N. McIntyre

(18) RECOMMENDED TO PRODUCERS. Observation Deck tells “Why Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser Should Be the Next Game of Thrones”

Fritz Leiber, a science fiction and fantasy author, wrote a story in 1939 called “Two Sought Adventure” starring Fafhrd, a large barbarian from the frozen North, and the Gray Mouser, a taciturn thief. Soon, Leiber realized he could use these characters to not only poke fun at the Conan the Barbarian-type stories that pervaded fantasy magazines, but to also construct his own fantasy world and deconstruct a various number of characters and tropes.

Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser sold their services to anyone with the right coin — more importantly, Mouser was a former member of the Thieves’ Guild and would often go up against his former employers. But they also went on adventures due to bets or because they wanted to have a bit of fun. Sometimes they got into trouble because of drink or because of women — they were often subject to the Cartwright Curse, where their love interests ended up dead by the end of the story. However, later stories gave both of them long-term girlfriends, even if one of them was, uh, a big unconventional.*

* One of Mouser’s girlfriends was Kreeshka, a ghoul, whose skin and organs are all invisible. Which means she looks like an animated skeleton. Whatever you do, don’t think about their sex life.

(19) BUGS, ZILLIONS OF ‘EM.  Starship Troopers: Traitor of Mars trailer #3:

(20) SHOOTING AND BLOWING UP. Kingsman 2 trailer #3 TV spot.

[Thanks to JJ, John King Tarpinian, Lee Whiteside, Cat Eldridge, Carl Slaughter, Andrew Porter, and Michael J. Walsh for some of these stories. Title credit belongs to File 770 contributing editor of the day Soon Lee.]

109 thoughts on “Pixel Scroll 8/11/17 “Scrollpathy for the Pixel” By The Scrolling Stones

  1. Can someone help me parse (5)? I have a membership for this year’s WorldCon, but for budget and time reasons, I don’t intend to buy a membership to next year’s. Does that mean I can’t nominate for the 2018 Hugos?

  2. Khitty Hawk on August 11, 2017 at 6:30 pm said:
    I’m reading it as you can nominate for 2018 but not vote. I could be wrong, though.

  3. I’m with PJ. It looks like you can nominate, but you can’t vote in the final unless you have a membership in the next Worldcon. And if you want to nominate but you weren’t a member of the previous Worldcon, you must purchase a Worldcon membership **before the end of the year**.

    Or, to break it down:

    1. member of past Worldcon only: nominate, not vote.
    2. member of next Worldcon before end of year: nominate and vote.
    3. member of next Worldcon, but not until after end of year: vote only, not nominate.

    So it looks like #2 essentially gets you access to two voting stages for the price of one (nominate and vote), while #1 and #3 each get you access to only one stage of voting (either nomination or final voting, but not both).

    Somebody tell me if I have that right!

  4. >> Savior complex: Americans wouldn’t want a Canadian hero to save them, so why should brown people need a white hero? >>

    Wolverine just went home to pout.

  5. @P J Evans and Contrarius
    Huh. I seemed to be under the impression that (i.e., nominate but not vote) was how it was already. I wonder what the change was. Thanks.

  6. @Khitty Hawk

    I think before members of the 2018 Worldcon would have been able to nominate for the 2017 Hugo’s, and now they can’t? Possibly? I’m pretty sure members of the 2016 Worldcon were already in the nominate-but-not-vote position, and I know people were talking about not having to keep track of three years of membership to validate nominations in the run-up to the vote.

  7. As I understand it, the change is that members of Worldcon 2019 will not be able to nominate things for Worldcon 2018. If this change had already been in effect, then members of Worldcon 2018 would not have been able to nominate this year–but it wasn’t, so they were.

    Members of Worldcon 2017 and 2018 should be completely unaffected. The former will be able to nominate but not vote next year; the latter can nominate and vote.

  8. Yeah, the change was to remove nomination rights from members of the Worldcon held the year after the one holding the Hugos under consideration.

    However there is a grandfather clause for next year, so members of the 2019 Worldcon can nominate for the 2018 Worldcon but members of the 2020 Worldcon will not be able to nominate for the 2019 Worldcon.

    There was also another change moving up the deadline to register (to the end of December).

  9. (2) Just a quick scan of the nominating statistics seems to indicate that there would be very little difference in the shortlist of Hugo Award finalists if the old way of just counting nominations had been used instead of the convoluted E Pluribus Hugo method that had its first usage this year. The two most notable differences are that Vox Day (in Editor Long Form) and John C. Wright (in Short Story) would *NOT* have been Hugo Award finalists if the old system were still in use this year.

  10. (1) RECORD LONGEVITY.
    Woohoo!

    (2) HUGO VOTING STATISTICS.
    Chewy numbers. Chuck Tingle sure gave Abigail Nussbaum a run for the Best Fanwriter.

    (3) JEMISIN.
    Neat speech.

    (4a) BONUS WOMBAT COVERAGE.
    Awwww, that’s gorgeous. BTW having read so much about the whalefall speech but not having heard/read the actual speech, is it online anywhere yet?

    (15) NUCLEAR FREE ZONE.
    Priorities?

    @Rich Lynch,
    Yes, but remember, as mentioned in another thread: If EPH had not been implemented, the Sad & Rabid Puppy voting behaviour would not have changed, so we’d still be swimming in slates full of Vox Day. Since EPH, they’ve either lost interest or changed tactics, so while EPH has been a effective tool against slates, it’s not the complete solution, which would to be completely rid of griefers like the Rabid Puppies & Vox Day on the Hugo ballot.

    Finally, woohoo! I got title credit on Hugo Awards Day!

  11. 18) Kreeshka the ghoul was Fafhrd’s girl, not Mouser’s, in Swords of Lankhmar. No excuse for getting this wrong.

  12. I belonged to the last one, and nominated. Then somehow I got a “coulda sworn I joined the Helsinki one” into my head and started reading the nominees. When I learned I was actually on the nominate-not-vote list, I figured I’d be clever by signing up for San Jose — but no, that just means I get to vote next year. So I thought about it, decided I wasn’t going to let all that reading go to waste, and joined the Helsinki one just to vote. And most of my candidates lost. But I persevered. This Hugo voting is kind of addictive as it turns out, so I’m glad the rules are a little less murky.

  13. Woke this morning planning to listen to the Livestream this afternoon. Then realised I’d miscalculated by 12 hours and the whole shebang was done and dusted.

    Further realoised that the livestream had failed and hence relied on Hampus Ekkerman’s concise commentary to follow the excitement

    Congratulations to all the winners, a fine and deserving group.

    3) I think that’s Jemison’s response to the Hugo for ‘The Fifth Season’.. Checked her blog – no new entry since she qualified for Camestros’ sticker.

    Mind you, from the misty future of 2572, where it was reported that WWIII was delayed until after the publication of the final volume of ASOIaF, this may be mistaken (or from an alternate timeline)

  14. ” Savior complex: Americans wouldn’t want a Canadian hero to save them, so why should brown people need a white hero?”

    Benton Fraser – magic realism counts too, right?

  15. Harrison: That post was NK Jemisin’s reaction to winning the Hugo last year

    Yipes, you’re right! I guess I will have to ease that out of there.

  16. (2) Chuck was real close.

    (4) Dignity, always dignity.

    (5) Wait wut? I knew “Two Years Is Enough”, but what if you don’t find out you can go or even buy a Supporting till after the first of the year? Seems unfair; I didn’t get my Supporting membership till after nominations were announced this year. Oughta be allowed you can join till nominations are closed, methinks.

    (14) The withdrawing candidates should ask Cam for permission to slap that on their books. It’d interest me — only legit popular nominees who don’t want to be Pup/Scrappy chew toys would use it.

    (18) Would watch depending on casting and writers.

    The CoverItLive text feed by Kevin Standlee and Cheryl Morgan is always ahead of the video feed (even when the video’s working) and much easier to follow than Twitter. Had 1200+ people tuned in; you can read comments and make them, plus there’s trivia. And you don’t need a big pipe of bandwidth to follow it.

  17. I think the title needs lyrics
    I’m imagining Mick Jagger in genre t-shirt singing after just quizzing you for ten minutes to see if you are actually a genuine fan of [insert SF franchise]

    Please allow me to pixel-scroll myself
    I’m a fan of wealth and taste
    Been around for a long, long time
    Had plenty of your time to waste

    I was ‘round in the fanzine years
    Wrote screeds of doubt and pain
    Made damn sure the letters page
    Was my forum to complain

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you’ve scrolled my name
    But what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game

    I stuck around each con panel
    When I thought there might be change
    Ruined every Q&A
    Being hostile and inane

    I trolled and drank
    And I leered and stank
    Made conventions rage
    While attendance shrank

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you’ve scrolled my name
    But what’s puzzling you
    Is the nature of my game
    (woo woo, woo woo)

    I was ill met
    On the internet
    When the modems
    First made their calls

    I should out,
    “Who killed free speech?”
    When after all
    It was mainly me.

    Pleased to meet you
    Hope you’ve scrolled my name
    But what’s confusing you
    Is the nature of my game
    (woo woo, woo woo)

    Just as every scroll is criminal
    And all the sinners saints
    As pix are cells
    Just call me Toxic Fandom
    Cause I’m in need of some restraint

  18. @Rich Lynch

    As Soon Lee says, the difference was in their behaviour in response. The spread of organic votes was pretty typical again this year, so that full slates could have dominated or swept many categories.

    In fact, minimal change compared to the old system is exactly what we want – if there are no big slates then we should see very similar results.

    ETA: oh great, I have to try and follow sheer genius from Camestros.

  19. On the Hugo wonkery/EPH side of things, there are now 5 admin reports available: the nominations and finalists reports already discussed, plus a detailed discussion of various admin decisions (the tangled web of Chuck Tingle noms is pretty amusing), and two on EPH.

    I think the conclusions on EPH are worth quoting in full :

    EPH provides a very specific response to a very specific problem: in 2015 and 2016, hundreds of co-ordinated voters swamped several ballot categories, with the consequence that no award was made in five categories in 2015 and in two categories in 2016. It can be easily shown from the statistics above
    that if there had been a similar campaign in 2017 to the two previous years, with four or five slate candidates in numerous categories, EPH would have opened up one or two places in each slated category (and EPH+ would have opened up two or three) that would otherwise have been taken by slate candidates. The slates would still have been over-represented, but not by as much.
    However, this problem did not recur in 2017. It is clear from the nominating statistics that there were fewer than a hundred slate voters this year, as compared to several hundred in 2015 and 2016, and that there were at most two slated candidates in any one category. This is not surprising: the co-ordinators of the 2015 and 2016 campaigns had stated in advance that they did not intend to pursue the same tactics this year. Most of the slated finalists in 2017 were voted below No Award by Hugo voters (as in previous years).
    It is also clear that EPH made it relatively easier in 2017 for a nominee with a large number of “bullet” votes, ie whose supporters did not support any other nominees, to get on the ballot. Most notably, in one category a nominee who would have been in eighth place under the old system, and therefore not a finalist, ended in third place under EPH, edging out another nominee who had 42% more nominating votes. EPH+ would have made this easier still – another two such “bullet vote” candidates would have made it onto the final ballot.
    It is for the WSFS Business Meeting to decide how to respond to the current situation. Arguably, the adoption of EPH may have already worked in that it changed the behaviour of those who had co-ordinated slates in previous years, and this may be sufficient to prevent a repeat of the 2015/2016 crisis.
    It was not trivial to develop a software solution to calculate the EPH results, and we are grateful to the Worldcon 75 DevOps Division for their work.
    However, that work has now been done, and the open source software is available to future Worldcons if the WSFS Business Meeting decides to retain EPH. It can also easily be adapted to implement EPH+.
    We have released details of the last ten counts in each category at nomination stage. It is for the WSFS Business Meeting to decide if this is sufficiently transparent. (NB that the Constitution requires only that these figures, along with the detailed voting and nomination counts, be published “within 90 days after the Worldcon”.) We are considering a more detailed release of the voting data, suitably anonymised, in due course.
    We do not recommend that future administrators provide (or be asked to provide) the detailed comparison in this Report. The WSFS Business Meeting should decide which system to use in future, with due regard to the cost of any further changes.
    Nicholas Whyte and Kathryn Duval, 2017 Hugo Administrators

    tl;dr: it does well against full slates but bullet voting is the best way to get past it

  20. TL;DR#2: Rescinding it opens up the field for VD (or any other slate organizer) to go back to the tactics which swamped the ballot with Puppy poo last year. Leaving it in place does help bullet nominees do better; is this really too high a price to pay in order to avoid a 100% Puppy ballot? (I emphatically say “no”, it is well worth it to prevent full-ballot sweeps.)

  21. Watching the BM live stream; Best Series is ratified in a fairly tight vote.
    Clear your summers from now on, we’re reading ALL THE BOOKS!

    ETA: @JJ that’s also my take – given a binary choice between EPH and not-EPH, 1 crappy item is better than NA in a category. Supporters of 3SV are likely to take this as confirmation that it’s a necessary addition.
    It makes me wonder if EPH+ is a step too far though – it strengthens further against full slates but improves bullet voting too. Perhaps EPH is the happy medium

  22. Hugo Best Series is now an Official Hugo Category, to be presented next year for the first time.

    Decisions as to whether this year’s finalists will be eligible next year or held subject to the rules for re-attaining eligibility will be left up to next year’s Hugo Administrator.

  23. @JJ: my take on it is: EPH has pretty much solved the slating problem; now we need to decide if “bullet nominees” are a problem in themselves and, if so, what to do about it.

    (My personal feeling is that every bullet-nominated piece of junk displaces a legitimate candidate from the ballot, so, yeah, that’s a problem. 3SV would address the problem… is there a better solution, though?)

    (I would support 3SV, but I’m not married to the idea; if there’s a better answer around, I’d go with that.)

    (Help. I appear to be trapped in brackets.)

  24. @Mark and @JJ —

    “Watching the BM live stream; Best Series is ratified in a fairly tight vote.
    Clear your summers from now on, we’re reading ALL THE BOOKS!”

    Yay, I think. 😉

    Boning up on the series was a lot of work, but also very educational. It’ll take commitment in the years ahead!

  25. 3SV just got defeated.

    (I think – they got a bit vote-happy right there at the end!)

    ETA: an interesting twist towards the end – there was an amendment to make 3SV optional, so individual WorldCons could decide if they needed it each year; this would have delayed full implementation by a year and this amendment was defeated. The unchanged 3SV was then defeated.

  26. Hampus Eckerman: I’d prefer only EPH to EPH+.

    After examining comparisons of the same sample data run through both methodologies, I came to the conclusion that EPH+ disadvantages popular choices which appear together on the same ballots far more than I think is acceptable, and advantages bullet candidates far too much. So I support keeping EPH and not ratifying EPH+.

  27. EPH+ fails (leaving EPH still in existence), although the arguments seemed to be generally anti-EPH in general. Next up: a 1 year suspension of original EPH. Given the sentiments just expressed, I’m concerned

  28. Meanwhile over in a different reality, Ted is desperately trying to spin the results as a “win”. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

  29. Okay, EPH does not suffer a one year suspension; next year will be under EPH just like this year was.
    It seemed to be a strong majority for keeping it. There were some sensible and principled speeches against it, but also some that seemed to boil down to “I don’t understand it so I don’t like it”.
    Also, Alex Acks has successfully had a swear word entered in the official transcript 🙂

  30. Gah. There’s a clueless person in the Business Meeting who just claimed that the reason the Puppies stopped slating is because all of the No Awards demoralized them and they then changed their behavior. 🙄

    People who weren’t paying attention over the last two years and have no idea what they are talking about should not be allowed to speak against retaining EPH.

  31. @JJ

    Yes, that caused my teeth to grind. It’s absolutely clear that NA is claimed as a badge of honour by the rabids, and a fair number of the sad. It may have discouraged some of the fringe SP from exposing themselves to it again, but by far the strongest effect was the intro of EPH.

  32. Steve Wright on August 12, 2017 at 1:47 am said:
    @JJ: my take on it is: EPH has pretty much solved the slating problem; now we need to decide if “bullet nominees” are a problem in themselves and, if so, what to do about it.

    I think that expanding the finalists to six (from five previously) helps reduce this problem. Looks like the Business Meeting decided not to pass EPH+ or 3SV. Given that, I think it is even more important that we retain EPH and *six* finalists for the future.

    Best Series: I was concerned about the additional reading load for voters, but I guess the voters has spoken. It will be interesting to see how it goes over the next few years.

  33. 5/6 also survives a proposal to suspend for a year.
    Basically, next year is going to be the same as this year was!

  34. Mark: Basically, next year is going to be the same as this year was!

    I am relieved and happy that good sense won the day. I’m hugely anti-violence, but I will sadly admit that there are a couple of people in that business meeting I would have cheerfully strangled in the middle of their irrational comments.

    Yay, I’m looking forward to another excellent Hugo year in 2017.

    (And yes, the VDiots are crowing about how the Hugos are dead, dead, dead. 105+ comments on something they absolutely do not care about because they are collapsed, defunct, irrelevant, kaput, destroyed, and pining for the fjords. If you feel compelled to look, use an archived version.)

  35. And yes, the VDiots are crowing about how the Hugos are dead, dead, dead.

    There’s a whole lot of “I didn’t like it so nobody likes it” in that thread. The level of delusion displayed by that crowd is quite amazing.

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