Jon Del Arroz Threatens to Sue Worldcon 76

Jon Del Arroz, who last month was banned from attending this year’s Worldcon in San Jose, has created a GoFundMe titled “Make WorldCon Great Again” which explains:

… In January 2018, WorldCon, the premier science fiction writers convention, openly discriminated against libertarians and conservatives in the field by banning Jon Del Arroz, a popular Hispanic science fiction writer, in an unprecedented move because he is outspoken political figure. Their claim was that Del Arroz “intended to violate their code of conduct.”

Del Arroz is asking donors for $10,000 to fund a lawsuit in retaliation:

Pursuing his rights on his behalf and for others who may be discriminated against on similar grounds will be expensive. Filing the lawsuit will cost around $1,000 and if there are depositions, motions, or experts, it could cost more than $10,000. It’s a lot of money to be able to exercise rights to speak without fear of illegal retaliation and discrimination and to associate with other members of the science fiction community and writing peers, but it needs to be done so others in the future can speak safely.

Please help Jon Del Arroz in his fight for civil rights for libertarian-conservatives everywhere in these troubling times. As a thanks, everyone who donates will receive a free novella e-book as a thank you.

Curiously, although the GoFundMe was created a week ago, as of this moment it still has yet to receive its first donation.

In January, Worldcon 76 advised its staff to have no further discussion on Jon Del Arroz because attorneys were getting involved.

Now Del Arroz has started publicizing his lawsuit threat by contacting writers, even (or perhaps especially) those that have criticized his past record of harassment. A. Merc Rustad received a copy and posted this reaction:

208 thoughts on “Jon Del Arroz Threatens to Sue Worldcon 76

  1. Oh, this is priceless. JDA is really, really bad at simple arithmetic:

    More than halfway to the funds to get this case against @worldcon2018’s shameful and illegal discrimination and defamation filed! Thank you everyone for the tremendous support. We will make science fiction a safe place for discourse again!

    GoFundMe Total: $610 raised of $10,000 goal

  2. @JJ

    If you read the second quoted paragraph in the OP it does say that filing is 1k and the proceedings after that is what the other 9k is for.

  3. There’s no attorney who will be willing to take on this loser of a case for only $1,000 in hand.

    If he’s talking about filing this himself in small claims court, all Worldcon 76 has to do is show the receipt from refunding his money, and the case is over, because small claims court isn’t going to award him damages, or force Worldcon 76 to permit him to attend.

  4. Oh, please let him file pro-se. I love it when aggressively stupid people act as their own advocates in court. Imagine the filings!

  5. @JJ

    I have no idea what exactly he’s doing in which court with what lawyer, I was just addressing whether he was being consistent (and capable of simple arithmetic).

  6. Errrrr… JDA may be even more confused than usual.

    According to this Statewide Civil Fee Schedule from the California Superior Court, filing fees for civil court in CA run between $370-$435 depending on the type of case. That document does list a $1000 fee as “Additional fee for case designated as complex”, but I don’t see why JDA’s case should be a complex one.

    Things that make ya go hmmmmmm.

    @JJ —

    He can’t be talking about small claims court, because filing fees for small claims in California are under $100.

  7. Contrarius: That document does list a $1000 fee as “Additional fee for case designated as complex”, but I don’t see why JDA’s case should be a complex one.

    It’s definitely a complex case. Most small claims cases consist of “I didn’t get what I paid for, I want my money back”, “I delivered a product or service to this person, they did not pay me as agreed, and I want my money”, or “this person damaged my property, and I want replacement or repair costs covered”.

    JDA’s already been given his money back. What he wants is to force Worldcon 76 to let him attend. But given that Worldcon is a club meeting of the WSFS, open only to people who buy membership in the club, Worldcon 76 is the designated meeting administrator for this year’s WSFS club meeting, and W76’s Membership and Code of Conduct pages include the following statement:

    We reserve the right to revoke a membership at our discretion at any time.

    No small claims court is going to be able to force Worldcon 76 to let JDA attend. All they could do would be to force W76 to give him a refund — which they’ve already done. I highly doubt that the small claims court in CA would accept a case such as this; they would require it to be a full-fledged lawsuit in a regular court. And I am quite sure that Worldcon 76 got legal advice before they sent JDA a letter and refund — so they know that they are legally covered.

    Sure, he could spend $1,000 filing the case anyway, but it’s just going to be a waste of money.

  8. “Complex” seems to be largely defined as “many parties” and I’m not sure this would qualify. Disclaimer: IANAL and I Am Not American and I Am Not From California.

    From his point of view, I suppose it is better to be ready for the highest potential cost than not.

    I just wish he’d picked a different method of self-promotion. One that involved less trolling, harassment, rudeness, and playing the victim. I have no idea what any of his books are about. I have no idea why he thinks people should be excited about them. I also have no idea what his politics are – I’ve never seen anyone identify with a political side so forcefully and yet never seem to have a position, unless “please buy my books because you are right-wing and I am right-wing” is a position. I just know I find every bit of his chosen public persona so deeply irritating, his presence so disruptive to normal conversation (he got the YouTube Hugo feed discussion shut down last year), that I wouldn’t touch his books with a bargepole.

  9. It’s not a typical small claims case, but it’s also not remotely what US law considers “complex litigation,” which is a designation most typically applied to certain types of class action cases.

    It may mean different things elsewhere, but that’s what it means here.

  10. @JJ —

    Most small claims cases

    You keep characterizing this as a “small claims” case. But that’s not what JDA is doing. As you note, JDA has already received his membership refund, so he has no small claims case at all. But he’s actually filing a **civil rights** case, which is an entirely different bag of worms. Different court, different rules, different filing fees.

    W76’s Membership and Code of Conduct pages include the following statement:

    We reserve the right to revoke a membership at our discretion at any time.

    Yes, I know — having quoted that same passage myself earlier this afternoon. 😉

  11. As others have said, “complex case” means something specific in California civil litigation — the kind of litigation that is extremely complex and different from run-of-the-mill cases because there are a large number of parties, a large number of witnesses, a large number of lawyers, a ton of money is involved, there are unusual or complex issues of law, they’re expecting piles and piles of pre-trial motions, they’re expecting the trial to last a really long time… Like an asbestos case or something like that.

  12. @Meredith

    he got the YouTube Hugo feed discussion shut down last year

    What? I hadn’t realized he’d started trolling that long ago. Do you recall anything about that particular incident?

  13. kathodus: What? I hadn’t realized he’d started trolling that long ago. Do you recall anything about that particular incident?

    Oh gods, yes, that was the middle of August. He was trolling and harassing as far back as the beginning of June, when he harassed Paul mercilessly during his DUFF trip (and poor Paul was sicker than a dog while trying to travel around 2 countries and fulfil his obligations to attend conventions and meet up with various fans and fan groups).

    There was a CART feed of the Hugo Awards ceremony, and it had a live discussion window which had to be shut down mid-ceremony after JDA trolled it continuously, rendering it worthless for the people who were genuinely trying to discuss and share the event. Then he moved over to another liveblog with a discussion window and starting trolling there as well.

  14. Contrarius: You keep characterizing this as a “small claims” case. But that’s not what JDA is doing.

    Sorry, I misread the $1,000 as being the filing fee for complex small claims cases.

    As Maximillian says: Oh, please let him file pro-se.

    Few things would be more enjoyable than watching him do a court case with an idiot as his legal counsel.

  15. @JJ – Thanks. I had my timeline messed up. For some reason, I thought the JDA stuff started after the last Worldcon. I remember his trolling Paul, now, too.

  16. @kathodus His rise to stupid (and first mention on F770, I think) was just before this time last year, when Readercon told him they weren’t putting him on programming for 2017, but that they would welcome his participation in 2018 – which he characterised this as being banned from Readercon because he voted for Trump.

    I get the impression from elsewhere (the timeline by Jennifer Brozek, I think?) (EDIT: I misremember, it was reading between the lines of one of JDA’s own posts (not recommended)) that this online persona was already fully formed by the 2016 elections and being deployed against people against his circles, but 2017 seems to have been his breakout into harassing the wider community…

    Anyway. I actually do feel like baking something, so maybe I, leading Worldcon supporting member Arifel, will bake Jon Del Arroz a cake. That ought to shut him up.

  17. @Arifel, I think it was Baycon, not Readercon, that asked JDA to take a one year break from program. Readercon has been doing something similar more recently to mix up their program participant list, so they are also in the news, but JDA wasn’t on their list as far as I’ve heard.

  18. David Langford: The current Wondermark strip offers some implicit advice to JDA.

    That’s even more appropriate than you know. Apparently, a while back, JDA ran a fundraiser to buy an Amazon Echo because his wife wouldn’t let him buy one.

    The fundraiser failed, because no one donated to it.

  19. @jonesnori Oh! I had misunderstood that entire situation as the same con employing a similar strategy two years running. Clearly I need to brush up on my JDA facts if I’m to make “fandom twits” my Mastermind topic someday.

  20. @Arifel, I know – I find it hard to keep them all straight. Maybe if we make up a team?

  21. @JJ Wow, I had no idea JDA was doing that to the feed. Yeesh.

    Yes, Jon started trolling me in April, and really got going in full force during my DUFF trip. which was late May and early June.

  22. @kathodus

    (Usual memory-disclaimer for it being months ago:) He was doing his usual thing – rude needling then protesting his wounded innocence when anyone snapped back. Tried to pick a fight with Mike, too, and he didn’t even manage the figleaf for that one. And talked over/self-promoted during the Memorial section, but I can’t remember if that was before or after he moved to the other chat. He got booted from the chat (which was good) then reinstated (no idea why) and then as he continued to troll they just shut the chat down.

    Sadly I didn’t screencap it so I’m sure the Puppy-adjacent will claim it never happened.

  23. @JJ: “That’s even more appropriate than you know. Apparently, a while back, JDA ran a fundraiser to buy an Amazon Echo because his wife wouldn’t let him buy one.”

    O.M.F.G. This is like my freaking brother! If you can’t agree with your spouse on how to spend the money, ….rest of paragraph deleted, but this really pushes a big button for me and maybe it’s not quite as similar as I feel. Gaaaaaaah. Excuse me while I, in the immortal words of Miss Snark the literary agent, go set my hair on fire.

    In re. the CART system: That’s just sad – and ridiculous. If they can block people (as it sounds like they can, from @Meredith’s comment), in the future they need to just block trolls and leave them blocked.

    @NickPheas: That’s hilarious. He doesn’t even write comics, does he? So what a meaningless thing for him to say.

  24. @Marshall Ryan Maresca has a great blog post about how people who thrive on being terrible get talked about (which serves their ends), but the ones who’re awesome should get mentioned more. He puts his money where his mouth is, naming and celebrating some examples. A nice, uplifting read and he welcomes comments to praise people in the community.

    I can’t think why his post comes to mind as something to mention here. 😛 Go read & add names to his thread! 🙂 I did.

  25. @Kendall – Wait, he does write comics!

    Or used to? He has/had a webcomic called Sparks… something. It was mentioned in CBR years ago when a buddy of his who was a fellow web-comic creator did a guest article for them. So the quote did appear in an article in their site.

    I guess he’s a step above TC McCarthy, then, and doesn’t have to ‘amalgamate’* quotes.

    *So… now someone on File 770 has said something (vaguely) positive about him? Yay?

  26. @Maximillian —

    *So… now someone on File 770 has said something (vaguely) positive about him? Yay?

    Positive things about JDA. Hmmm.

    Well, I gotta say that the inside of his house looks pleasant enough, at least as represented in the various pics he’s made public over time.

    There. Another positive from 770!

  27. Jan Schroeder on February 20, 2018 at 3:01 am said:

    Just to interject a couple of facts, JdA sent me the letter, too. It states that the crowdfunder will go public on his website today. It also included a PDF of a letter to Worldcon from a lawyer named Peter Sean Bradley. So at least to that extent it appears genuine.

    There’s a lawyer named Peter Sean Bradley on Twitter …. interesting postings

    P J Evans on February 21, 2018 at 10:14 am said:

    His claim for why Worldcon banned him is pretty much a lie. So is his description of Worldcon, and his status as a writer. (I’d never heard of him before the whole Puppy thing. He’s still pretty much invisible on shelves.

    If the shelves you are referring to are bookstore shelves, well, there’s a simple answer. His book – For Steam and Country: Book One of the Adventures of Baron von Monocle – is available from Ingram Book Co, the major wholesaler of books to bookstores. It’s also listed as non-returnable. So, when a store orders it they can’t return it if it doesn’t sell, unlike most of the book biz. The determination of returnable/non-returnable is made by the publisher.

  28. JDA has published the text of the letter his attorney sent to Worldcon.

    IANAL, but it seems to me that there are some things in there which would call the competence of the attorney into question. I would be interested in the opinion of a real attorney on that.

  29. Thanks, Michael! (I don’t get into bookstores too often these days – there’s only one that’s “convenient”, and it’s 30 miles away and fairly small.)

  30. @Maximillian: Thanks, then I sit corrected. Although since it’s a free and (it seems, when I poke around) defunct webcomic – and if it’s his only one, as I suspect – then I’m still a little amused at what he said. 😉

  31. @JJ: Thanks for the archive link.

    “. . . proximate origin in his political beliefs and commitments . . .”

    LOL wut. (Lots of other “wut” moments, but I only skimmed.)

  32. @Michael – Wow, that lawyer seems perfect for JdA. He’s Trump-lawyer-lite, just as JdA is Trump-lite.

  33. Wow. What “does” that lawyer think “quotation” marks “are for”?

    And he keeps using terms or phrases that are kind of like the right legal term, but not. They ‘purported’ to ban him?

  34. Hey, Peter Sean Bradley, the Fresno lawyer, seems to do quite a bit of bankruptcy litigation. Could come in handy later!

    The two causes of action cited in the threat letter are a bit wacky: The defamation one starts out with the weasel words ‘in essence’ about what was claimed to be said, e.g., nobody actually said that but please believe me that they meant it. No identification of alleged speakers, no quotations, and no substantiation of the vague handwave of said unidentified speakers being ‘agents and organizations’ of Worldcon 76. Perhaps Mr. Bradley skipped law school the week they covered the law of agency? The bit about proving a legal duty of service and assenting to the principal’s control may have eluded him.

    Also, all of the several suspiciously loosely paraphrased not-actually-quotations strike this observer as clearly expressions of opinion, which enjoy absolute privilege under defamation law.

    The second one is even wackier: Yes, the 1959 Unruh Civil Rights Act as amended does (now) include ‘political affiliation’ among covered categories (Cal.Civ.Code Sec. 51.7(a)), but I’d be utterly astonished if any court ever rules that ‘Trump voter’ or ‘right-wing nutjob’ (er, I believe del Arroz prefers ‘libertarian conservative’) is a bona fide ‘political affiliation’ within the meaning of the statute’s protected classes. LaRouche Party member would be, Bircher would be, sure, but I don’t think ‘notorious asshat Internet-random sh*tkicker’ is entirely what the statute contemplates. But anyway, the Unruh Act applies to discrimination against protected classes by ‘public accomodations‘, and a membership-based SFF convention just ain’t one. Obviously.

    Incidentally, the Unruh Act cite given (Marina Point, Ltd. v. Wolfson , 30 Cal.3d 721, page 726) strikes me as actually comically inept: The case was about housing (an actual public accommodation) discrimination against a family with a minor child. Judge Tobriner’s page 721 citation of ‘political affiliation’ was actually quoted from the municipal court of first instance, which thus used has no precedential value at all. Even his mention of that concept near the top of his opinion — what a less sloppy lawyer would have cited to, IMO — is by definition a dictum, an individual view of the opinion author, not binding in any subsequent cases as legal precedent. (Does Bradley even know what dicta are? One wonders.)

    In the unlikely event that Mr. Prominent Local Asshat raises enough dosh to pay Bradley and serve him kibble for a week, I’m expecting the court to immediately grant demurrer motion to dismiss on grounds of lack of a cause of action. Because the complaint’s funny to read once, but IMO the court’s going to say ‘Don’t waste our time.’

    (Not speaking for anyone but myself. Anyone with actual legal problems in consensual reality, consult a competent attorney, and don’t imagine you can pay him/her with nothing but a GoFundMe.)

  35. Sounds like either JdA is getting swindled by his lawyer or (more likely) they are working together to swindle the Gofundme funders, knowing full well they are pissing in the wind.

    Also, hey – wasn’t the Gofundme at $610 earlier? it’s at $405 now.

    ETA: Ignore that – it’s over $1,000. I was looking at the archive page.

  36. @Maximillian: I, too, “wondered” why some things were in “quotes” when he meant the “actual” meaning and wasn’t actually, you know, quoting anyone (e.g., “attending”).

    @Rick Moen: Thanks for the comments on this. Yeah, I was highly amused that “being a jerk on the internet” was a “political affiliation.” I’m still not even sure what JDA’s political affiliation is, and whether he actually believes or cares about whatever he claims to be affiliated with, if anything.

  37. @Kendall, yr. very welcome. Just in case of doubt, I’m not an attorney let alone the attorney of anyone here, so take cum grano salis.[1] I’ve just spent long decades dissecting legalistic bullbleep, so I figured I’d take a crack at that one. (For my sins, I’m a Californian, too, FWIW.)

    If you look back through del Arroz’s blog a ways, you see him burbling gleefully over his theory that California’s distinctive civil right act (named for the great Jesse M. Unruh) can be weaponised to attack the hated SJW cadre right in their SF/Berkeley/Santa Monica lairs: petard, hoist, et voila. Because Trolling Assholes Are Oppressed, Too, you see. That’s really, really not going to fly (because judges are not stupid), but I hope and expect del Arroz needs to find that out the hard way.

    [1] Which I just realised translates as either ‘with a grain of salt’ or ‘with a small amount of wit’, which might just work either way.

  38. @JJ et al —

    Yeah, that letter was what got me started ranting about public accommodations and “jerks” not being a protected class…. errr, yesterday? Whenever it was that I was doing that.

    It’s almost as though that lawyer is either a complete idiot or will say whatever he needs to say in order to bilk the most dollars he can out of poor deluded Jon.

  39. His attorney posted a pointless letter stating he has been retained. I say pointless because it is not a legal document and serves as no notice other than to demonstrate the weakness of the case, should they be foolish enough to go forward.

    Some points worth noting: JDA seems to be wholly ignorant that when you engage in a lawsuit, especially one that is based on libel, defamation and public accommodation you open yourself up to legal discovery. This means that should they file a suit, worldcon’s legal team is well within their rights to demand the immediate access to all communications and documentation pertaining to racist, or bullying behavior. They can even hit the ISP and hosting providers for this information should someone attempt to delete the data locally.

    As this would be a public case, entered into the public record as evidence in a civil proceeding. As you can imagine this can go spectacularly bad for someone who is known to do both these and other activities.

    Now the other part is that the attorney is also an alt-right member and fan of JDA. Which would also mean all his communication prior to being retained are all fair game and can be very interesting reading as looking at his own blog post from today entitled:
    “Does the Patriarchy compel women to drive slower and not work at peak times?”
    I kid you not.
    Judges tend not to favor cases brought by these individuals, especially when a simple change of venue would put the case smack in the middle of the silicon valley courts.

    Now should the case go forward I would love to see a filing pursuant to California Code of Civil Procedure § 128.7, which requires attorneys, “after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances” to sign and verify all pleadings and moving papers in a matter. By signing the pleading or other paper, the attorney certifies that it is not presented for an improper purpose (such as harassment), the claims therein are legally supported, and the allegations have evidentiary support or “are likely to have evidentiary support after a reasonable opportunity for further investigation or discovery.” (The complaint must specify which allegations lack evidentiary support at the time of filing.)

    A key thing about a § 128.7 filing is that it primarily punishes the attorney who puts forth a case with even a hint of harassment and imposes sanctions of not only the other sides legal fees and expenses but also, should the judge choose, punitive sanctions. SO this can really hit a lawyer in the pocketbook, especially considering the salary of the members of the convention’s committee per hour cost to appear in court.

    So my whole reaction to this is “Hell yes! please please file a case so that you and your attorney can be public, and in court shown to be the racist bullies, many already think you are.

    P.S. I am sure Vox Day would just love to have his communications and private posts fall under a subpoena. “I saw that letter and merely heard the sounds of all the skeletons in the closets preparing to be marched out into the light”

  40. @Michael et al —

    There’s a lawyer named Peter Sean Bradley on Twitter …. interesting postings

    In case anyone’s interested, it appears that Bradley is at least peripherally connected to the puppy types. He was for some time a writer and editor for Sci Phi Journal (multiple pup associations there) and in his author bio used phrases like “California’s Great Central Valley, the future heartland of the Great State of East California (aka “West Oklahoma”), once the decadent coastal elites secede from the United States and complete their imminent death spiral without taking hardworking rural California with them” and “he has been on the receiving end of SJW tolerance and love of diversity ever since”. While there he edited at least one story for the likes of Brian Niemeier. Sci Phi Journal also published stories by John C. Wright, Lou Antonelli, and no doubt others I didn’t happen to come across — and one of its editors was Jason Rennie, who now does Superversive.

    So that helps to explain how JDA and Bradley found each other, and it gives us a clue that he probably actually believes the bovine fertilizer he’s trying to sell in that letter.

  41. @Rick Moen: IANAL either, but ISTM that your

    the Unruh Act applies to discrimination against protected classes by ‘public accomodations‘, and a membership-based SFF convention just ain’t one. Obviously.

    is faulty; Wikipedia quotes the act as

    All persons within the jurisdiction of this state are free and equal, and no matter what their sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, medical condition, genetic information, marital status, or sexual orientation are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities, privileges, or services in all business establishments of every kind whatsoever.

    Nothing about “public accommodation” (and it will certainly be argued that “membership” is a figleaf, since the only prior requirement for entrance has been money), just “business establishment” (and SFSFC is certainly a business — I’m not sure whether a PO box is an “establishment” or that word requires a permanent location that people can fit into).

    That doesn’t mean the case isn’t bulls**t; it just means the case may not be thrown out immediately. Given the “lawyer” JdA has found, JJ’s observation (that any lawyer would quit on seeing the evidence, absent money to continue) may not be correct; this one seems to have started on the basis of very little money (we don’t know what’s happening outside the GoFundMe) and might continue pro bono, just as someone is reported to have volunteered to SFSFC. (If not, we can just hope W76 does well in membership sales; otherwise, costs could easily reach the kind of five-figure expense that no Worldcon needs.)

  42. It occurs to me that filing a lawsuit as an attempt to force entry into a gathering where the hosts have stated that you are not welcome because they suspect you want to cause trouble is a persuasive argument that their assessment was entirely correct.

  43. @Chip —

    “in all business establishments” is an essential phrase here.

    When you are at a con, the only “business establishment” you are in is the hotel hosting the con. The hotel could not refuse to rent you a room for discriminatory reasons. But the con itself is not a business establishment — it has no fixed address, and it is not engaged in making a profit or selling a product.

    Note this other passage from the wikipedia article:

    “California courts recently held that a private school’s admissions office was not covered by the Act, because it was not a business.”

    “membership” is a figleaf, since the only prior requirement for entrance has been money

    Again: this is common for clubs. There were no entrance requirements for the Orchid Society I used to belong to aside from paying dues, and so on.

  44. So I decided against best practice to read his demands to Worldcon:

    First, your organization and Wolrdcon 76 will publicly apologize to Mr. Del Arroz for its treatment of him, and it will publicly state that it has no reason to assert that Mr. Del Arroz is either a racist or bully.  This public apology and statement will be made through its Facebook and social media sources.

    I don’t recall anyone calling Mr. Del Arroz a racist. A bully, well, his actions mark that, no?

    Second, your organization and Worldcon 76 will comply with the Unruh Act by lifting the purported “ban” on Mr. Del Arroz’s participation in Worldcon 76.

    Third, your organization and Worldcon 76 will commit to protecting the rights of Mr. Del Arroz from interference by third-parties, or by its members and agents, through harassment, intimidation or bullying.

    So, let him come and no one can say anything about him.
    “The Unruh Civil Rights Act is a piece of California legislation that specifically outlaws discrimination based on sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, age, disability, medical condition, genetic information, marital status, or sexual orientation.”

    Again, under what category is Jon claiming here? No one is discriminating against him for any category.

    Fourth, your organization and Worldcon  76 will provide its agents and employees with training on their legal obligation under California law not to discriminate or harass on the basis of political beliefs or relationships.

    This annoys the —- out of me. He tried that with me, too, saying in email that I hated him because of his politics.

    It seems that this all boils down to: “You banned me because I am a conservative male Christian writer and you hate that kind of person, Liberals! You can’t do that, Let me in!”

  45. Again, under what category is Jon claiming here? No one is discriminating against him for any category.

    It seems that this all boils down to: “You banned me because I am a conservative male Christian writer and you hate that kind of person, Liberals! You can’t do that, Let me in!”

    He has been claiming from the get go, and his supporters have repeated the idea that because there is no reason to think that he is a bully and a troll, the real reason no-one wants anything to do with him is because he’s Hispanic.

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