Pixel Scroll 3/5/19 Surely You Know, Philately Will Get You Nowhere

(1) THE DEATH OF TRUTH. Brianna Wu is one of the featured victims in The Guardian’s article “Trapped in a hoax: survivors of conspiracy theories speak out “.

Conspiracy theories used to be seen as bizarre expressions of harmless eccentrics. Not any more. Gone are the days of outlandish theories about Roswell’s UFOs, the “hoax” moon landings or grassy knolls. Instead, today’s iterations have morphed into political weapons. Turbocharged by social media, they spread with astonishing speed, using death threats as currency.

…Their growing reach and scale is astonishing. A University of Chicago study estimated in 2014 that half of the American public consistently endorses at least one conspiracy theory. When they repeated the survey last November, the proportion had risen to 61%. The startling finding was echoed by a recent study from the University of Cambridge that found 60% of Britons are wedded to a false narrative.

The segment on Brianna Wu begins:

An accurate floor plan of her house was assembled and published online, along with her address and pictures of her car and license plate. And then there were the death threats – up to 300 by her estimate. One message on Twitter threatened to cut off her husband’s “tiny Asian penis”. The couple evacuated their house and took refuge with friends and in hotels.

Wu now devotes her time to running for Congress from her home in Dedham, Massachusetts. She sees her candidacy as a way of pressing federal authorities to take the problem of online conspiracy theories and harassment seriously. “The FBI employs about 30,000 agents in the US. As best as I can tell there’s no division that is specifically tasked with prosecuting extreme threats online – it’s simply not a priority for them,” she says.

(2) SPACE ADVOCACY. On March 4 representatives of The Planetary Society visited Congressional offices in Washington: “100 Planetary Society Members. 25 States. 1 Day of Action.”

Yesterday, 100 passionate Planetary Society members joined us on Capitol Hill for our Day of Action. They discussed the importance of space science and exploration with their congressional representatives and advocated for NASA’s continued growth. It was a huge success!

Through their efforts, we reached more than 127 congressional offices in 25 different states. We are grateful for the passion and dedication of these members.

(3) A LOT TO LIVE UP TO. Shana O’Neil declares “Captain Marvel meets some of the highest expectations yet for a Marvel movie” in a review for The Verge.

…After all of that, Captain Marvel is in the unenviable position of having to introduce a new character to the MCU, lay out her origin story, tie her in with the current MCU timeline, create backstories for several previously established characters, and set up even more significant elements for Avengers: Endgame. But Captain Marvel mostly bears the weight of those expectations. It rises to the occasion with strong performances and with its directors’ willingness to slow down and take their story seriously, balancing humor, action, and exposition in a carefully calibrated package.

Captain Marvel (Brie Larson) is initially introduced as Vers, a Starforce Agent for the alien Kree race. Vers isn’t a character from the original Captain Marvel comics, but Marvel readers may recognize her fellow Starforce members: Korath the Pursuer (Djimon Hounsou, Guardians of the Galaxy), Minn-Erva (Gemma Chan, Crazy Rich Asians), Bron-Char (Rune Temte, The Last Kingdom), Att-Lass (Algenis Pérez Soto, Sugar), and their leader Yon-Rogg (Jude Law). Vers has powerful Kree abilities: super strength, physical endurance, and the ability to shoot blasts of energy from her fingertips. But she can’t remember how she got those powers, or what her life was like before the Kree found her and brought her to their homeworld of Hala.

(4) BAKER’S DOZEN. Sarah Mangiola posted this last year at The Portalist — “13 Must-Read Hugo Award-Winning Books”. Some of these are short story collections where the title story was the Hugo winner.

Ill Met in Lankhmar and Ship of Shadows

By Fritz Leiber

The 1971 Hugo Award winner for Best Novella, “Ill Met in Lankhmar” recounts the meeting and teaming up of Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser—serving as a prequel of sorts to Leiber’s The Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser book series. Featured alongside four other stories in Swords and Deviltry, “Ill Met in Lankhmar” starts when Gray Mouser and Fafhrd simultaneously ambush the Thieves’ Guild and steal valuable jewels that they themselves had just stolen. Realizing they make a good team, Gray Mouser and Fafhrd join forces and attempt to infiltrate the headquarters of the Thieves’ Guild. 

(5) CREATURE CREATOR. In “The Big Idea: Mallory O’Meara” at Whatever, O’Meara explains the origins of her book The Lady from the Black Lagoon:

…This book started out simply as a biography of Milicent Patrick, an influential artist whose legacy has been purposely obfuscated for decades. She was an illustrator, a concept artist, one of the first female animators at Disney and the designer of the iconic monster from the 1954 science fiction film CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON.

The press and attention that Milicent got as the designer of the Creature was the pinnacle of her career. It also caused her downfall. Her boss at the time was so jealous of her being in the limelight with the Creature that he fired her. Milicent never worked behind the scenes in Hollywood again and no one knew what became of her.

While I was researching and investigating her life, it became clear to me that I couldn’t write about what happened to Milicent Patrick without writing about why it happened to her. It’s easy to hear a sad story about a woman dealing with sexism in the 1950s and think, “Man, what a bummer. That’s just how things were back then!”

But it wasn’t just how things were back then. What happened to Milicent Patrick is still happening. It’s happening right now….

(6) LITIGIOUS LOUT. The Sydney Morning Herald invites you to “Meet Nick Rodwell, Tintin heir and least popular man in Belgium”.

It all started when a circle of Tintin fans in the Netherlands, de Herge Genooschap, ran a few strips in their internal newsletter. They were dragged to court, facing a penalty of up to €100,000 ($154,000).

They are only the latest party to have fallen foul of Nick Rodwell, self-proclaimed “the least popular man in Belgium”.

Mr Rodwell is the British-born manager of Moulinsart, the company that holds the rights to the Herge estate. Students, scholars, admirers and collectors alike have been harshly prosecuted at the faintest sign of a Tintin drawing, with Moulinsart demanding arrests, confiscations and colossal sums out of all proportion with the alleged offences.

(7) OGDEN OBIT. Fanzine fan Steve Ogden died March 1. Rick Bradford paid tribute at the Poopsheet Foundation:

My friend, longtime fan, author, fanzine publisher and comics researcher Steven Ogden died on March 1st, 2019 after a lengthy battle with leukemia and everything that goes along with its treatment.

Steve – along with his wife, Vicki – published fanzines and mini-comics through Spotted Zebra Press/New Spotted Zebra Press since the ’80s (or perhaps slightly earlier). Publications included Ouroborus, the mammoth Brad W. Foster Checklist of Published Works from the 20th Century (1972-2000), Edgar’s Journal, Metaphysical Pornographic Funnies and many others. He was also a longtime member of FAPA (The Fantasy Amateur Press Association).

His wife Vicki asks that instead of flowers donations be made to the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society:

(8) TODAY IN HISTORY.

March 5, 1944Captain America premiered theatrically in theaters as a serial.

TODAY’S BIRTHDAYS.

[Compiled by Cat Eldridge.]

  • Born March 5, 1874 Henry Travers. Only two genre roles to my knowledge, he appeared in The Invisible Man as Dr. Cranley and he was in Death Takes a Holiday as Baron Cesarea. (Died 1965.)
  • Born March 5, 1894 Henry Daniell. His most famous role is SF film was as a Morgana in From the Earth to the Moon. He has more obscure roles over the decades in films such as playing William Easter in Sherlock Holmes in Washington or Dr. Wolfe ‘Toddy’ MacFarlane in The Body Snatcher where he’d have been upstaged by it being the last film of both Karloff and Lugosi. (Died 1963.)
  • Born March 5, 1936 Dean Stockwell, 83. I remember him best as Admiral Al Calavicci, the hologram that advised Sam Beckett on Quantum Leap. Other genre roles included being in The Dunwich Horror as Wilbur Whateley, in The Time Guardian as simply Boss, Doctor Wellington Yueh In Dune, a role I had completely forgotten, and voiced Tim Drake in the excellent  Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker. Series work beyond Quantum Leap includes Twilight ZoneAlfred Hitchcock PresentsMission: Impossible, Night GalleryQuinn Martin’s Tales of the Unexpected (pay attention class, this has showed up before), Star Trek: EnterpriseBattlestar Galactica and Stargate SG-1. 
  • Born March 5, 1942 Mike Resnick, 77. It’s worth noting that he’s has been nominated for 37 Hugo Awards which is a record for writers and won five times. Somewhat ironically nothing I’ve really enjoyed by him has won those Hugos. The novels making my list are Stalking the UnicornThe Red Tape War (with Jack L. Chalker & George Alec Effinger), Stalking the Dragon and, yes, it’s not genre, Cat on a Cold Tin Roof.
  • Born March 5, 1952 Robin Hobb, 67. Whose full legal name is the lovely Margaret Astrid Lindholm Ogden hence her two pen names. I reasonably sure the first thing I read and enjoyed by her was Wizard of the Pigeons, but The Gypsy with Steven Brust was equally enjoyable and had the added bonus of a Boiled in Lead soundtrack. 
  • Born March 5, 1955 Penn Jillette, 64. Performed on Babylon 5 in the episode scripted by Neil Gaiman titled “Day of The Dead” as part of Penn & Teller who portrayed comedians Rebo and Zooty. It’s one of my favorite episodes of the series. Also he had a recurring role on Sabrina the Teenage Witch as Drell, the head of the Witches’ Council. He’s been in Fantasia 2000Toy StoryFuturama: Into the Wild Green YonderSharknado 3: Oh Hell No!Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of SupermanVR.5Space Ghost Coast to Coast and most recently Black Mirror. 
  • Born March 5, 1975 Jolene Blalock, 44. Best known for playing  T’Pol on  Enterprise.  Genre wise, she’s also been in Jason and the Argonauts as Medea, Stargate SG-1 as Ishta, Starship Troopers 3: Marauder as Captain Lola Beck and as the Legend of the Seeker as Sister Nicci.

(9) COMICS SECTION.

  • It’s not only authors who want to GET PAID, so do devices — Bizarro.
  • Garfield is about a fellow who will never have a Mount TBR.

(10) IN CHARACTER. SYFY Wire shares the fun when “J.K. Simmons revives J. Jonah Jameson in Spidey-hating Avengers: Endgame spoof”.

… How would Simmons’ Jameson react to the dusty ending of Avengers: Infinity War? How would he potentially act, if he was to survive, during Avengers: Endgame? Would he finally cut Spider-Man some slack? Would the web-slinger finally earn his respect? 

Thanks to a new spoof made by Lights, Camera, Pod, we don’t have to just sit and wonder. J.K. Simmons himself returned to voice Jameson for this animated video, and, well, see for yourself: 

(11) A CONSTRUCTIVE RESPONSE. Greg Hullender tells how Rocket Stack Rank weathered a storm of public criticism two years ago in this comment at Mad Genius Club. (For background, see “Rocket Stack Rank Issues Apology, Hullender Off Locus Panel”.)

…The way they managed to get us was that we had promised that RSR would be politics-free: focused on the stories alone. But I had been using my reviews to express my annoyance with the use of “non-binary ‘they’” in stories and making it fairly clear I didn’t take the whole non-binary thing seriously. As a long-standing member of the LGBT community, I certainly have the right to voice my opinion of the non-binary movement (although it quickly became clear that I was very out-of-date and should have at least talked to a few non-binary people), but RSR was not the place to have that discussion. Worse, the first my husband (and co-editor) learned of this was when our enemies produced a horrendous “open letter” that was a mix of half-truths and outrageous lies but supported with links to my own reviews. He was, understandably, rather upset with me.

Most embarrassing was that Locus asked me to withdraw from the panel that selects their annual recommended reading list, and issued a press release about it.

We recognized that our enemies wouldn’t be satisfied by anything we did. “If we committed suicide, they’d just say we did it wrong.” So we apologized to our readers for what we genuinely believed I had done wrong, and I went through the old reviews and comments and carefully removed everything that we agreed shouldn’t be there, based on our own principles. They made fun of our apology, of course, but we didn’t care; we didn’t do it for them.

Then we waited to see what happened. We agreed that if volume to the site fell in half, we’d shut it down and find something else to do. It had been a miserable, humiliating experience, and it’s not like we make any money from Rocket Stack Rank. (We brag that we change no fees, run no ads, use no affiliate codes, and never beg for donations.) We think of it as our gift to fandom, and if fans didn’t want it, we wouldn’t keep doing it.

But, volume increased.

During the hullabaloo, volume more than doubled (by all measures) for about a month, based on year-on-year comparisons. But the next few months showed that we kept 20% of that. If we lost any readers, they were more than made up for by the ones who learned about us through this thing. (Maybe it really is true that all publicity is good publicity.) Year-on-year growth has continued, and we’re now actually bigger than some of the semiprozines that Locus reports on (although nowhere near the size of the ones we actually review).

(12) HAGER WINS AGAIN. Storylines Margaret Mahy Medal and Lecture Award for 2019 goes to Mandy Hager for life-time achievement and a distinguished contribution to New Zealand’s literature for young people. Her Singing Home the Whale, about a teenaged boy who befriends a baby orca, won the 2015 New Zealand Book Awards’  Margaret Mahy Book of the Year (see a review here.) Her near-future dystopia The Nature of Ash won the 2013 LIANZA YA Fiction Award (Library and Information Association of New Zealand Aotearoa).

(13) CONTENT WARNING FOR THIS ITEM. Polygon says a “Steam game about raping women will test Valve’s hands-off approach”.

Valve did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but on the game’s website, the developer seems aware that its creation is controversial.

“You can’t reasonable [sic] consider banning rape in fiction without banning murder and torture,” the developer says.

“Most people can separate fiction from reality pretty well, and those that can’t shouldn’t be playing video games,” the developer continues.

Technically, Rape Day does not appear to violate Steam’s current content rules, but the developer appears unsure if the game will make it to the final release without getting banned off the platform. Already, the game has been modified to avoid potential content issues — in one news update, the creator says they got rid of a “baby killing scene” in case it gets marked as child exploitation. Rape Day’s website also lists out a couple of plans of action for what may happen to the game, and the developer, should anything get taken down.

“I have not broken any rules, so I don’t see how my game could get banned unless Steam changes their policies,” the developer wrote. “My game was properly marked as adult and with a thorough description of all of the potentially offensive content before the coming soon page went live on Steam.”

(14) DISPLACED. At The Verge, Andrew Liptak says “Famous Men Who Never Lived is a powerful novel about alternate worlds and the plights of refugees”.

In K. Chess’ debut novel, Famous Men Who Never Lived, at some point in the past, reality diverged, and an alternate timeline played out alongside our own. Then, that world was devastated by a nuclear attack, and extradimensional refugees started showing up in our own reality. As Chess follows the lives of refugees from that alternate world, she delivers a story about immigration and how those who lose everything they’ve ever known are able to cope with their new reality.

(15) SERIAL BOX. Adri Joy finds you can’t improve on four aces: “Microreview [Book]: The Vela, by Yoon Ha Lee, Becky Chambers, Rivers Solomon and S.L. Huang” at Nerds of a Feather.

Serial Box’s new space opera is an action-packed, politically-driven adventure written by an impressive author lineup.

…Together, they take on a space opera that touches on the strengths of all four of these works, while being something very different. Welcome to the system home to Khayyam, Gan-de and Hypatia, where the careless extraction of hydrogen by wealthy inner planets is causing the slow collapse of the sun and the death, over centuries, of all inhabitable worlds – beginning, of course, with the blameless, impoverished outer worlds. Mix in a hardened soldier-for-hire who is herself an escapee from the dying worlds, and her naive non-binary sidekick, and you’ve got an indisputable recipe for success, right?

(16) JUDGMENT RENDERED. Brian Hubbard, in “Microreview [book]: JUDGES Volume 1 by Michael Carroll, Charles J. Eskew, and George Mann” at Nerds of a Feather, wishes the authors didn’t assume the readers already have a lot of knowledge about this series.

How does the world get from the police we know today to Judge Dredd? JUDGES Volume 1 brings us closer to the answer with a trio of short stories set in the Judge Dredd universe. It doesn’t quite reach the bombast of that source material though.

…But if you’re not familiar with the Judges program or the Judge Dredd world, these stories aren’t going to do you a lot of favors in the way of building this world.

(17) IN ONE VOLUME. Rob Bedford assesses “BINTI: The Complete Trilogy by Nnedi Okorafor” at SFFWorld.

To say that the saga of Binti is a modern masterwork is obvious.  Despite the tragedy throughout the series, the physical tragedies, the emotional baggage Binti brought with her when we first met her to the profound affect those physical tragedies had on Binti, one thing was even more clear. Hope. This is very much a forward-thinking series with a charmingly brilliant and empathetic protagonist. Okorafor impressively packs these short novels/novellas with an incredible amount of emotion, fantastical ideas, and philosophical ideals in and of themselves. That the trilogy (plus short story) is under 400 pages and is so powerful is a marvel of storytelling.

(18) THE VERDICT. Camestros Felapton wrote individual reviews of the six 2018 Nebula Awards short story nominees, and now deals with how they work collectively on the literary award’s ballot: “Nebula Shorts: Summing Up”.

I’d contend that there are three clearly exceptional short stories in the Nebula short story finalists. There is a fourth I can see an argument for, there is another that I don’t get but others clearly did and there’s a sixth which, while having many positive qualities, probably shouldn’t be a finalist.

(19) MANY MONSTERS. Ultraman is coming to Netflix (like everything else!)

Years ago, the famous giant of light Ultraman worked to protect peace on Earth. Now, a new champion arises: Shinjiro Hayata, a high-school student who must don the Ultra Suit and the worries that come with it. The son of the former Ultraman, he will become this generation’s new hero! Netflix Original Anime Ultraman starts streaming worldwide April 1st, only on Netflix.

(20) GENRE PLAT. Matthew Johnson left another masterwork in comments today:

All books can be SFnal books, though recent books are bolder
You never know when Dick and Jane might meet with a Beholder
The correct double entrendre
Can make anything genre
You can give a ray gun to Atticus Finch
Let Lennie and George cast a spell in a pinch.

[Thanks to JJ, rcade, John King Tarpinian, Cat Eldridge, Chip Hitchcock, Mike Kennedy, Martin Morse Wooster, Hampus Eckerman, Carl Slaughter, and Andrew Porter for some of these stories. Title credit goes to File 770 contributing editor of the day Matthew Johnson.]

60 thoughts on “Pixel Scroll 3/5/19 Surely You Know, Philately Will Get You Nowhere

  1. (13) CONTENT WARNING FOR THIS ITEM.

    So the answer to the question “Did we as a society learn anything from the #MeToo whistleblowing?” would be a resounding “No”. 🙁

  2. (8) Ah, thanks for reminding me of Dean Stockwell’s name! Sometimes I freeze on somebody—in this case, I was thinking of Dink Stover in THE HAPPY YEARS. Yes, I could have looked it up. Sometimes pride prevents me, and I spend days expecting to think of it any old time.

  3. @4: I don’t know whether I’d pick exactly those stories (e.g., “The Big Front Yard” is fun, but I’d put Way Station ahead of it), but after reading the average “meh” of @JDN’s young/old columns I’m impressed that this reviewer dug that far into history (and yes, I see their bio says they like blowing dust off things).

    @11: interesting collection of responses he gets….

  4. Chip Hitchcock: And in her MGC post today, Amanda S. “I never mention anyone by name and yet everyone knows who I’m talking about” Greene basically threatened to kick him off the site because he doesn’t drink the Sad Puppy 3 Kool-Aid.

  5. 4) I don’t agree with all her selections, but “Ill Met in Lankhmar” is an excellent novella and highly deserving Hugo winner that has held up well in almost 50 years since it first appeared.

  6. (11) Greg’s has had a brave run at trying to engage with the Mad Genii but he’s had the stern “Final Warning” from Dave Freer that is always accompanied with a weird assumption laden challenge from Dave.

  7. Mike Glyer on March 5, 2019 at 8:44 pm said:

    Chip Hitchcock: And in her MGC post today, Amanda S. “I never mention anyone by name and yet everyone knows who I’m talking about” Greene basically threatened to kick him off the site because he doesn’t drink the Sad Puppy 3 Kool-Aid.

    ‘However, we’re human. We sometimes make mistakes. When we do and we become aware of them, we admit it (again, more than a lot of others do).” – Amanda Greene

    Wow! That’s going to be an exciting (and lengthy) series of blog posts at MGC. Can’t wait for them to start!

  8. Re today’s title, I am reminded of a cartoon by Bob Shaw that was published in some fanzine or other many years ago (I’m not being coy, I just can’t remember).

    Two mapmakers, Flaherty and Tate, stand in front of their respective storefronts glowering at each other. Each has a sign in the window. Tate’s says, “Flaherty will get you nowhere.” Flaherty’s says, “He who has a Tate’s is lost.”

    I loved that cartoon then, and I love the memory of it now.

  9. >there’s a sixth which, while having many positive qualities, probably shouldn’t be a finalist.

    I don’t know that there has been any kind of fuss about the short story category. Is Camestros Felapton going to review the novelettes? I’d be really interested in which of those finalists he thinks belong and which don’t.

  10. 11. Obviously Greg is in a context and company here which make him look better by comparison — whatever I may think of him, he at least handled controversy better than the puppies did! But it does seem very weird to suggest that his “enemies” dealt in “half-truths and outrageous lies” in the same comment where he has already enthusiastically affirmed that the main criticism people made of him (that he was consistently using his supposedly-quality-based reviews as a forum to carry on a political vendetta against the use of non-binary pronouns) was accurate.

  11. @Andy H: right?? like:

    it quickly became clear that I was very out-of-date and should have at least talked to a few non-binary people

    We recognized that our enemies wouldn’t be satisfied by anything we did.

    Greg, my guy, not so sure about your math there!

  12. Isn’t that the motto of the United States Pixel Academy?

    Not to be confused with the British SPS (Special Pixel Service) who use “Who Scrolls Wins.”

  13. Dean Stockwell was a child when he did The Boy With Green Hair. Not really sf, but given the time (1948), the title certainly is. (And I first saw it in black and white!)

  14. Camestros Felapton: Greg’s has had a brave run at trying to engage with the Mad Genii but he’s had the stern “Final Warning” from Dave Freer that is always accompanied with a weird assumption laden challenge from Dave.

    The “Final Warning” hadn’t been posted yet when I read the comments so I went back to look at it. Freer is practically incoherent, marching out an army of straw man arguments.

  15. @Linda Deneroff: The Boy with Green Hair is genre though; the green hair is supernatural.

  16. Don’t go chasing waterscrolls–please stick to the pixels and the clicks that you know.

  17. Freer is practically incoherent, marching out an army of straw man arguments.

    There’s an anthology coming out soon that I was originally excited for, but with discovering that both Freer and M. Z. Williamson are featured my interest is lessened.

  18. Kip Williams: Just change one letter and we could make it a Scalzi reference — “There’s no food like a scrolled food.”

  19. Mike, I had thought of making it ‘file’ instead of ‘fool,’ but it felt like I was getting too far from the source quote. ‘Food’ works, though.

    Talking about food when I’m waiting for suppertime. I’m weak, man! It reminds me of listening to KVOD in the morning when I worked at the Forest Service, and around ten, Gene Amole would say something like “I’m just looking at a plate of Black Forest Cherry Tortes from the good people at Vollmer’s Bakery, and let me tell you about them…” and I’d sit there looking at the little Tupperware container of dry cereal I’d brought with me for mid-morning sustenance, seventy miles from Vollmer’s Bakery, and thinking of making a break for some 7-11 ‘gas station food.’

  20. re: Mad Genius Club

    For crying out loud. What’s wrong with providing a few links to support your statement? It wouldn’t take five minutes. And yes, Dave Freer is basically demanding that Greg acknowledge and agree with his convoluted strawman statements, which have little or no relation to the original assertions.

    Evidently, Dave Freer has more ego than sense.

  21. (3) I see those darned “trolls” have dragged Captain Marvel’s RT score down to 85%. No, wait, those are the critics. Like Kevin Maher, in yesterday’s (London) Times, who considered Larson’s performance “disappointingly blank” , adding “she makes Gal Gadot’s Wonder Woman seem like a fascinating Streepian creation”. Or maybe it was one of those pesky scrolls — sorry, I mean Skrulls — impersonating Maher?

  22. Steve Green: I see those darned “trolls” have dragged Captain Marvel’s RT score down to 85%.

    I’m sure that you can’t possibly be implying that 85% is a low Critics score on Rotten Tomatoes. Or maybe you are, and you just don’t spend enough time on the site to know any better.

  23. @Lela E. Buis

    I don’t know that there has been any kind of fuss about the short story category. Is Camestros Felapton going to review the novelettes? I’d be really interested in which of those finalists he thinks belong and which don’t.

    There was fuss about five Nebula finalists, two in short story, one in novelette, one in novella and one for the Norton, who were not on anybody’s radar and whose works don’t fit in with what the Nebula electorate usually goes for. Upon further investigation, it turned out that those five finalists (plus a sixth whose nomination wasn’t that unusual) were all members of 20Booksto50K, a group for self-published authors, and that there had been a recommendation list that bordered onto slate territory posted in that group. That’s what the uproar is about, five plus one finalists in four categories.

    Subsequently, the co-author of one of the novelettes on the not-a-slate got the idea that people were objecting specifically to his nomination (probably because he had gotten some unrelated troll comments beforehand) rather than to the entire not-a-slate and got into a heated discussion with Annie Bellet.

    But the problem isn’t limited to the novelette category.

    @Bonnie McDaniel

    Evidently, Dave Freer has more ego than sense.

    That’s not exactly news.

  24. @Jeff Smith: My guess would be the Irish fanzine Hyphen, edited by the legendary Walt Willis. Bob (as “BoSh”) and Arthur Thomson (“ATom”) regularly contributed both articles and cartoons.

    @JJ: I heard it started off in the low 90s, hence my “dragged down” comment. In any case, even a 100% rating wouldn’t persuade me to pay to see another CGI-drenched MCU cartoon.

  25. Steve Green: even a 100% rating wouldn’t persuade me to pay to see another CGI-drenched MCU cartoon

    I made an exception and went to Wonder Woman. I thought it was wonderful. But otherwise, I don’t watch superhero movies. I got into reading adult novels very early as a child, and completely missed the comic book entry phase that so many other fans went through. It’s an area for which the appeal is utterly beyond my ken. 🙂

  26. JJ: …otherwise, I don’t watch superhero movies. I got into reading adult novels very early as a child, and completely missed the comic book entry phase that so many other fans went through. It’s an area for which the appeal is utterly beyond my ken.

    I tend to enjoy superhero movies myself, though I came late to the comic genre via Sandman and the Books of Magic miniseries and even then I don’t really keep up with DC or Marvel now. As for Captain Marvel, the trailers have left me a little pessimistic but me and my friends will be in our seats Thursday first viewing!

  27. @Steve Green: @JJ: I heard it started off in the low 90s, hence my “dragged down” comment. In any case, even a 100% rating wouldn’t persuade me to pay to see another CGI-drenched MCU cartoon.

    You certainly have a lot invested in denigrating a film you profess to have no interest in.

  28. @PhilRM: You seem a little confused. I haven’t seen Captain Marvel, so I’m not in a position to praise or denigrate it. Kevin Maher has, and it was his review I quoted (an “investment” in balance, nothing else). Nor is my aversion to the current MCU movies confined to Captain Marvel, as I would have thought was clear from my comments to JJ. I did see Black Panther, because a friend screened it for me, but I found it disappointing. It’s the only one I’ve seen of the seven MCU films since Civil War, which is when my patience with the production line finally petered out.

  29. @Steve Green: Given the number of times you’ve popped up in comments to insist that Captain Marvel is likely to be a poor movie, I don’t think that I’m the one who’s confused.

  30. <scratching head> There are literally hundreds of movies that I have no intention of seeing. And I’ve never felt the urge to jump into every mention of any one of those movies to proudly state that I’m not gonna see it.

    If I’ve actually seen a movie (or read a book) that I found either wonderful or disappointing, I’m happy to provide my viewpoint. But just because (for example) I found that Aeon Flux was two hours of my life that I’ll never get back doesn’t mean that I don’t understand that someone out there probably loved that movie. Nor does it make them wrong to enjoy it, even if I did not.

    I hate horror movies and gore; I will never ever see any movie in the SAW franchise. But I know people who love that sort of thing, and, hey, if it makes them happy, then good for them.

    Can anyone explain to me the urge to trash-talk a movie that one knows isn’t to one’s taste and one never intends to see? Because it’s frankly baffling to me.

  31. @PhilRM: Fairly sure I’ve never made any predictions for the likely merits of said movie, let alone “insisted” on them. I did comment on the Rotten Tomatoes decision to shut down the “want to see” poll, but that doesn’t mean I know how the film’s going to turn out. Unless you have evidence otherwise, of course.

    @Cassy B: When exactly have I “trash-talked” this film? And where do you get “proudly” from? Please don’t let your imagination get the best of your logic.

  32. I’ll see Captain Marvel the same way I’ve seen most of the other MCU films: on a long-haul flight to or from someplace in Asia. They’re all perfectly enjoyable but I tend not to go out of my way to see them in the cinema unless one of my nearby friends wants to go.

    I’m 100% sure that Captain Marvel is going to do insanely well regardless of what the silly manchildren do.

  33. “I’ll see Captain Marvel the same way I’ve seen most of the other MCU films: on a long-haul flight to or from someplace in Asia.”

    This is exactly the way I see them – apart from the antman track. Those movies I like. The rest are all a bit of the same. I’m looking forward to see Shazam though.

  34. Well now I feel like I should catch up with the Ant-Man films since I just haven’t really bothered with them so far (as far as arthropods go I prefer Spider-Man). I’ll be flying “home” for summer so I guess I’ll catch up then.

  35. I am not sure I would like to see what John Scalzi can make of a filed pixel-scrollito.

  36. @Oneiros: Well now I feel like I should catch up with the Ant-Man films

    FWIW, I found the Ant-Man films to be enjoyable light heist films with a very clever gimmick, and sympathetic characters.

    Of the two I prefer Ant-Man and Wasp, since it’s more sure of what is doing, has a better balance between the male and female protagonists, and is one of the few Marvel films to have a sympathetic primary antagonist (they really don’t count as a villain).

    They aren’t game changers, but they are enjoyable ways to spend an afternoon.

  37. @Steve Green, what makes you think I was talking about you? We were discussing the bozos that slammed Captain Marvel without seeing it first, weren’t we? Were you one of those people?

  38. @Steve Green: Like here, which was a week before Rotten Tomatoes removed the “Want to See” feature?

    Where you show up to chastise Mike for calling the trolling campaign against the RT “Want to See” feature for Captain Marvel a trolling campaign, and insist that it’s simply a genuine reflection of fan interest in the movie?

  39. PhilRM: Nice try, but no cigar. I made no reference there (or elsewhere) to the cinematic merits of Captain Marvel, let alone “insist that [it] is likely to be a poor movie”. Please don’t bother responding if you can’t actually back your accusations up, unless you want me to consider you some species of troll.

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