(1) SO SUE ME. TrekToday reports “Axanar Files Second Motion To Dismiss”.
For the second time, the lawyers working for Axanar have filed a motion to dismiss and they are again seeking clarification from Paramount Pictures and CBS Corporation regarding which copyrights the production has violated.
Axanar posted an official statement regarding the new motion, which was filed yesterday. “Yesterday, acting on behalf of both Axanar Productions and Producer Alec Peters, Winston & Strawn filed a Motion to Dismiss the first amended copyright complaint of CBS Studios and Paramount Pictures Corporation. The motion explains that in multiple respects, the deficiencies in CBS and Paramount‘s original complaint are still not sufficiently addressed in their amended filing, and that in some ways the amendments have created new defects.
“The motion provides examples as to how CBS and Paramount overreach in what they claim are elements protected under copyright, and fail to be specific as to exactly which copyrights have been infringed upon; and, in the case of the potential feature film Axanar claims of alleged copyright infringement cannot be made against a film that doesn’t yet exist….
The Axanar legal team has requested a May 9 hearing date on the motion to dismiss.
The full motion can be seen here.
(2) DIGGING DEEPER INTO GALAKTIKA. Anna Grace Carpenter documents “more bad behavior” by Galaktika Magazine, the Hungarian periodical charged with not paying a lot of people for their work.
This opened up a broader problem. By this point I was certain that the English-language stories were primarily being published without the consent or compensation of the original authors. (I have been able to confirm that work published as early as 2008 was done so without author knowledge or consent. Pintér spoke with an author whose work was published in 2006 without their consent. The full extent of the ongoing piracy is still uncertain.)
Tracking down the translators who were working for Galaktika during 2015 was a little more difficult than contacting the authors involved; all I had were the names in the bibliography and Google.
The first few I tried didn’t turn up anything immediately useful, but with a little more digging I was able to reach two of the translators who worked with Galaktika in 2015. The first (who had translated nine stories over the course of the year) said simply that they were not responsible for the rights involved in the stories. They would receive a request from the publisher (likely Attila Németh – the fiction editor at Galaktika) to translate a specific story, and would return the work once they were done….
They told me the effort involved to get paid for their work simply became too much and they stopped working for Galaktika. (They also became aware, after the fact, that Polenth Blake’s short story – “Never the Same” (Strange Horizons Sep 8 2014) – had been taken without her permission because they contacted her about the translation.)
Another Hungarian author I spoke with said they had sold work to Galaktika in 2006 for which they had received pro-rates, but had since stopped working with the magazine due to (among other things) other authors they knew personally not being paid for their work. They said their feeling was that Hungarian authors and translators had a better chance of being paid because they could always go to the Galaktika offices to demand what was owed.
But the translator I spoke with said they had heard of other translators and Hungarian authors who had never been paid – a fact which was such common knowledge that when they told their friends about the work their first question was “And do they pay you?” They recounted calling István Burger “who was really cocky, like it was by his grace that I was allowed to work for them, because apparently it’s him who sends everyone their money. So after Back to the Future I had enough.”
It would seem that Galaktika’s bad behavior is not limited to the theft and piracy of English-language stories, but a deliberate and continuous pattern of behavior where they attempt to profit off the work of others while making as little compensation as possible to the authors and translators providing the material for the magazine.
(3) SAD BUNNIES. A British Board of Film Classification sachem says “Watership Down ‘would be rated PG today’”.
The U-rated 1978 film Watership Down would be classified PG were it released today, the new head of the British Board of Film Classification has said.
BBFC director David Austin told BBC Radio 5 live its violence was “arguably too strong” for it to be rated U now.
He added the film also contains language that would be “unacceptable” in a film rated U under 2016 criteria.
His comments followed complaints over the film’s content after it was aired on Channel 5 on Sunday.
“Well done to whoever at Channel 5 decided that Watership Down was a nice Easter Sunday afternoon film to show,” wrote one tweeter.
… The film – which features the voices of Sir John Hurt and the late Richard Briers – received a U rating on its initial release for its “very mild language, mild violence and threat”.
According to Austin, though, “standards were different then”. “The film has been a U for 38 years, but if it came in tomorrow it would not be,” he continued.
(4) PITY THE FOOL. The March 31 Scroll quoted a story about Gmail’s new “mic drop” feature. On April 1 the BBC reported, “Google April Fool Gmail button sparks backlash”.
Google has removed an April Fool’s Gmail button, which sent a comical animation to recipients, after reports of people getting into trouble at work.
The button appeared beside Gmail’s normal send button and allowed users to shut down an email thread by sending a gif of a Minion dropping a microphone.
However, a flurry of complaints about the button appeared on Google’s forums.
The firm has since withdrawn the feature and apologised.
Will R. swears, “For the record, I didn’t realize they were crazy enough to make this an actual button.” Well, if they did.
(5) MORE UNTIMELY FOOLISHNESS. Variety reported on April Fool’s Eve (or as you civilians say, March 31) that actor Tom Hiddleston delivered Chicago’s Fox32 weather report as Loki — “Tom Hiddleston Gives Weather Report, Blames Storm on Thor”.
Tom Hiddleston can add another credit to his resume: weatherman.
The “Night Manager” and “Avengers” actor dropped by a Chicago news station as Loki (though tragically not in costume) to update viewers on the terrible weather hitting the area this weekend. He blamed it all on his thunderous brother Thor, saying that his “brother from another mother’s been misbehaving.”
“The God of Thunder has brought his skill set to bare on the local weather,” Hiddleston added.
In other words, the storm-front means that “Chris Hemsworth has taken his hammer and smashed it on the surface of the sky and it’s going to rain a helluva lot,” the actor said….
Hiddleston and Hemsworth will reprise the feuding brothers onscreen again in “Thor: Ragnarok,” which is set for Nov. 3, 2017.
(6) LINES AT ANIME BOSTON. Smofnews has the story —
Anime Boston has posted a long statement detailing the causes of excessive lines at their con last weekend. Some of the causes are ordinary problems, like misallocated staff and the blocked shortcut. Others included a registration system provided by a third party which was found to have a serious bug right before the con started*, and a decision between the local police and the facility to use metal detectors, with the con being a bit out of the loop. It goes to show that being bigger doesn’t necessarily mean having more control of things.
(7) JAMES H. BURNS CLIPPING FILE. The Franklin Square Bulletin, which has no internet presence, but is a decades-old weekly on the South Shore of Long Island, published an item about a favorite son:
“Franklin Square Columnist Nominated For Rondo Award”
Franklin Square resident James H. Burns, a long time writer and actor, has been nominated as “Best Columnist for 2015” at the Classic Horror Film Board, the popular website administered for over twenty years by David Colton, the just-retired Page One editor of USA TODAY. Jim’s citation is for his columns at FILE 770, itself a multi-award winning website devoted to the worlds of the fantastic. It’s fun to note many of Jim’s articles actually deal with lost elements of growing up in Franklin Square, and other unique facets of life in our community!
The columns range from “World War II and a Lexicon in Time” to man’s first landing on another world (“The Moon at Midnight”); a look at Irish folklore (“And a Moonbeam to Charm You”) to prehistoric worlds (in “My Father and the Brontosaurs” (including dinosaurs at Falaise, and the World’s Fair) and “Sons of a Mesozoic Age” (with memories of the Franklin Square Theatre!); and reflections on his friendships with some of the James Bond filmmakers (“The 007 In My Mind”) and other theatrical personnel (“Back to Another Future”).
The best column may be a special look at our Christmas and Chanukah traditions, “The Geography of Eden.”
Burns says, “The whole idea behind some of the articles was to capture certain moments in time, experiences common to many of us who grew up in the area, but which might otherwise be forgotten.”
Burns writes about the small “farm” that used to behind Valley Caterers in “Clanky!”, and takes a look at a Franklin Square Independence Day evening, and the dawn of the Space Age, in “On This, The Fourth.” (Some of his mainstream work for CBS-NY.COM and NEWSDAY is also reflected in the nomination, as the features were excerpted at the website.)
You can vote for “The Rondo Awards” until April 10th, by going online to: http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/62030/s-ballot-Gasp-14th-Annual-Rondo-Hatton-Classic-Horror#.VvAfW-azkWp.
You can read some of the articles by Googling, “James H. Burns,” File 770, or “James H. Burns,” CBS.
(8) ADRIENNE CORRI OBIT. BBC reports the death of actress Adrienne Corri on March 13, who played the rape victim in A Clockwork Orange, appeared in Hammer films, and featured in a Doctor Who (according to IMDB).
(9) TODAY IN HISTORY
- April 2, 1968 — 2001: A Space Odyssey has its world premiere in Washington D.C.
(10) TODAY IN CURRENT EVENTS
April 2 is the second annual Planet of the Apes day.
The second annual gathering (this time both virtual and actual!) to celebrate the classic 1968 film and all its sequels, remakes and re-imaginings. We’re hosting a fan meetup event at the Idle Hour Cafe in North Hollywood, CA beginning at 5pm on Saturday, April 2nd [NOTE THE NEW DATE FOR EVENT] For those who can’t attend in person, we encourage fans in other cities to join us via Skype and Facebook, of course. More details will follow soon, so RSVP now to and note if you’re attending in person to give us a human-count. Mark this date in your calendar now and prepare to GO APE with the Damn Dirty Geeks!
(11) TODAY’S BIRTHDAY BOYS
- April 2, 1805 — Hans Christian Anderson.
- April 2, 1908 — Buddy Ebsen. He missed appearing in the Wizard of Oz because the Tin Man’s makeup poisoned him. His Twilight Zone episode was written by Charles Beaumont.
- April 2, 1914 — Sir Alec Guinness.
(12) FIFTY-FIVE YEARS AGO. The Traveler at Galactic Odyssey thinks Rod Serling should be doing better — “[April 2, 1961] Uprooting Itself (The Twilight Zone, Season 2, Episodes 17, 19, 20, 21”.
Twenty years ago, even ten (and zero in some places), science fiction was all about the twist ending. Aliens would seed a dead planet with life only for it to turn out…that planet was EARTH! Or folks might spend a story in a struggle to stay alive, only to find out THEY WERE ALREADY DEAD! And so on. Stories would usually end with a shock sentence, often with copious slammers (!!!)
But the genre matured. Characters, writing, and fully explored concepts appeared. These days, the “gimmick” often takes the back seat, facilitating rather than dominating the story.
The Twilight Zone, the science fiction/fantasy/horror anthology created by Rod Serling, is generally a cut above anything else on TV. This includes its pale competitors like One Step Beyond and Way Out. Unfortunately, several times in the first season, and more frequently in this, the second season, the show has aped the gimmick stories of print sf. The result is a run of predictable, sub-par episodes. There is light at the end of this tunnel, however – the most recent episodes have returned the focus to interesting characters and genuine drama.
(13) PUPPY WAR GAMES.
https://twitter.com/ApeInWinter/status/715831997273415680
(14) OUR POET CHERRIOT. Kip W. confessed in a comment here.
This is just to say
I have eaten the Hugos
That you were saving
From destruction
Forgive me
They were just sitting there
Such sweetness
Such noms
[Thanks to Chip Hitchcock, Martin Morse Wooster, David K.M. Klaus, Andrew Porter, and John King Tarpinian for some of these stories. Title credit goes to File 770 contributing editor of the day ULTRAGOTHA.]
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Augh, I’ve messed the link and I can’t edit on this machine.
Original link: https://file770.com/?p=22527&cpage=5#comment-262347
(3) SAD BUNNIES
I saw Watership Down in the cinema when it came out. Must have been eleven at the time.
A lot of parents had left their children in the cinema while they went off shopping (different times) and there was much screaming when the original warren was gassed, when Bigwig almost died in a snare, when Bigwig and Woundwort fought each other into bloody ruin and when Woundwort attacked the dog.
I bloody love that film, but a U certificate says it’s a kiddies film about fluffy bunnies, and it’s not.
My Chief told me to defend this run. Still one of the greatest scenes in film.
His 75th, in fact.
Do not scroll gentle into that vile hive
@Stoic That’s something I’ll happily be blamed for!
Pixels, pixels everywhere
And all the scrolls did link.
Pixels, pixels everywhere
Nor any pup to think.
(From “The Rime of the Ancient Filerscum.”
Ah, Watership Down. I was one of those 12 year olds dropped off at a theater while my parent(s) went (Xmas?) shopping. Loved that movie.
https://youtu.be/ji-LqBskNyE
Pride and Prejudice and Puppies
A. G. Carpenter:
I tried checking the Galaktika bibliography but I could only see authors from A-C. There might have been something to click to see the rest of the bibliography, but I couldn’t find it.
@Peace Is My Middle Name
I missed that the first time around, I think–kudos!
Lisa: Is this you? “Cassandra’s Photographs, IASFM Aug 1987
“Kasszandra fényképei”, Galaktika Jan 1991, ford. Damokos Katalin
“Kasszandra fényképei”, Galaktika Feb 2015, ford. Damokos Katalin”
The current editor apparently does a “Retro” feature where he republishes work that was originally published during the first incarnation of the magazine. If this is your story and it was originally published with your permission, you would need to double-check any contract to see if it allowed for further reprinting.
The dog’s rampage at the end of the movie where it kills several of the invading Efrefans and the fight between Bigwig and Woundwort should be enough to push Watership Down to a PG rating. It is a pretty violent animated film, especially since we have both names and personalities with which to create anthropomorphic attachments to the rabbits who are dying.
Where there’s a slate, there’s a way!
Where there’s a slate, there’s a way!
Where there’s a slate…
We want to vote the straight ticket today,
But Space Butt Raptor seems just so… outre’
We’re gonna gambit that gambit all day
Where there’s a slate, there’s a way!
Left, Right.
(LEFT?!? WHO LET THAT SJW IN HERE! SKIN HIM!!!)
*clangs, shouts, singing resumes*
Where there’s a slate, there’s a way
Right, right.
Right, right.
Right, right.
—
With apologies to Rankin Bass
You’ve read the book, you’ve seen the film, now eat the pie!
As seen in the window of a butcher selling rabbits…
Watership Down is on my list of all time favorites. An exciting, bloody, desperate saga about … a bunch of rabbits moving to a new warren a few kilometers away. Most writers would have difficulty turning this story into an exciting, bloody, desperate saga, and that’s why it’s on my list of favorites. I have read many stories about people trying to save the entire planet that weren’t nearly as gripping. And few superheroes can hold a candle to the bravery and leadership of Hazel.
That said, it’s kind of an intense story for people expecting something more along the lines of Beatrix Potter.
A. G. Carpenter:
Yes, that’s me — and I’m pretty sure the contract doesn’t allow unauthorized reprinting. I’ll be looking into this some more. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!
@Hampus Eckerman 1) Email after every save.
This is what brought their system to its knees from what I can tell. Most of us learned from past experience to save after each category entered/saved. So if you were filling out your ballot, saving after each category, would be multiple emails for a single session. Maybe send email for category saved?
Water ship down ought to be G…let the kids get the idea that their parents didn’t do their homework, or that life is a lot different than their coddled selves have realized, or…
I think Poseiden Adventure was G…at least, I know every kid in the neighborhood had a watch the movie party the year it came out – must have seen that film in the theater 20 times.
It used to be G, PG, R and X…
@SciFiMike Thanks for posting that link. I don’t recall ever hearing this. The (uncredited) narrator — and no doubt author — of the programme is very recognisably Peter Nicholls.
For 2-3 years it was G, GP, R, and X. My father still says GP movies, but then he doesn’t see a lot of movies.
IMDB says PG for Poseidon Adventure. I certainly saw it in the theater when it came out. I think only the really strict parents wouldn’t let their kids go to see PG movies at the time.
BTW, if you remember who The Captain of the SS Poseidon was, the movie seems to make more sense/take on new meanings.
The Captain of the S.S. Poseiden was the great great great great grandfather of the Captain of the United Planets Cruiser C-57D.
I’m participating in a group reread of Watership Down at the moment, a chapter a week (with breaks). It must be thirty years, if not thirty-five, since I last read it. Still great stuff.
I didn’t realize Cruiser C-57D had its own wikipedia entry or that it had made so many appearances on the Twilight Zone.
Someone should do an anthology of the adventures of the other United Planet cruisers. Like cruiser C-57F, the nuttiest cruiser in space!
I think it was Alan Moore who suggested that the XL rockets were named after how their predecessors were destroyed. So Fireball XL5 was given its name by the unfortunate XL4.
My love for Watership Down (the book — haven’t seen the movie) is surpassed by few. But I never quite understood why it was supposedly only male rabbits who left the original warren; there must have been at least a few females who didn’t have a burrow full of kits at the time. The afterword doesn’t make clear what factual basis, if any, this seemingly sexist plot decision was based on.
(1) I hope Axanar’s lawyers are working for a fee, paid in full regularly. I suspect, given the vigorous defense they’re putting up, that they are. Get those billable hours in now, boys, before the inevitable corporate juggernaut takes you down.
(3) Oh hell yes. It should have had a higher rating to begin with. I saw it when it came out. I was 16 and thought how scary it would be for little kids. I remember some wailing in my theater. Too many people ignored the PG rating, I guess. Dead bunnies on Easter Sunday seems just doubly wrong.
(5) Cute. He’s just all charm.
(13) If only.
Oof. The email’s got about 3/4 of my Retro nominations, therefore missing the last post-prandial update I did on the 31st. S’pose I’ll tell them about it soonish.
Yes, indeed, the Pancake XL4, itself the successor to the Shrapnel XL3 and the Mushroom Cloud XL2….
@SciFiMike – I don’t remember hearing this either, although I do remember Peter planning the interviews. I’d forgotten what a plummy voice he put on for the BBC …..
Grand to hear it. Thank you.
@Vasha
It is a long time since I read it, but I think the old warren’s owsla is somewhat prepared to let a group of low status bucks get away, they’re not the future of the warren in the way that breeding does would be. But try and make off with the next generation? That’s a real threat to the survival of the warren.
I could just be rationalizing things.
@lurkertype,
Not on a Sunday but we have an annual Easter rabbit hunt on account of rabbits as an introduced species being a pest. And they breed like the proverbial.
I’m getting depressed by the sheer number of emails from Worldcon; just when they’d got it right, and confirmed my Not a Hugo nom on 31/3/2016, they’ve sent me more emails, also dated 31/3/2016 when my NaH has disappeared.
I shall have to hope that the system has some means of recognising this…
Also, Beatrix Potter was not quite as cuddly as one might think; Peter Rabbit’s mother was forthright about the fate of his father. Some misguided idiot put out an edition which eschewed the specific in favour of something generalised, apparently oblivious to the fact that an unspecified something really nasty is a lot scarier.
Apart, of course, from when it’s in Cold Comfort Farm, in which case it’s a lot funnier.
Still no email(s) with any confirmations… And no response from the person who said he would look into it when he got a chance. On the one hand, if my ballot did get there and I just didn’t get a confirmation, well, them’s the breaks. On the other, if my ballot didn’t get there and doesn’t count, there is very little anyone can do about it now and I may as well not have that confirmed and depress myself. So I’m probably better off not knowing, all things considered.
Surprised nobody has mentioned M ratings. It was always my hope that I could see an M-rated movie (with an adult, which posed its own problems) and maybe catch a flash of nudity! Woo!
This was in the US. Not sure what ratings kids in other countries were subjected to, though I probably believed they could see anything at all, and drink wine as they did so.
I know the answer to this one!
Apparently the rabbits are mostly based on the unit Adams served with in WW2, Hazel was modeled on his commanding officer, Bigwig was a Scottish guy he served with, etc, so I legit suspect he didn’t think of it, or felt weird gender bending his friends.
Between that and the era…I am inclined to cut some slack, though I understand if others get frustrated.
I’m sorry, I can’t stop myself from pointing out that “O Captain! My Captain!” sucks moosewang and is by far the worst thing Whitman ever wrote.
Bigwig was actually based on an Irishman, Desmond “Paddy” Kavanagh, who was killed during the Arnhem fighting in which Adams took part.
@Stevie:
Puts me in mind of this tweet from the other day:
Mail systems will normally continue to try to deliver a message until it goes through but will often take progressively longer waits between attempts. So you can see stuff arriving in reverse order.
Anti spam tactics can often kick in if a server is seen to be sending unusually high volumes of traffic, which can include rate limiting or even responding “too busy, try later” Spammers won’t typically try again while real servers will but stuff gets delayed. A lot of this happens in intermediate servers too so neither you or the sender will see this happening.
The whole ballot was saved everytime, not just the category saved. An alternative would be to have a delay of 10 minutes before sending. And only send the current state of the ballot, not the changes made.
I’ve gotten additional email since my last comment. I don’t think I’m getting them in order but it’s hard to tell since I had sooo many problems. I’ll probably wait until Tuesday to send my this is what my ballot should be email with various wrong versions attached for their edification.
Important breaking news:
Tasmania Is Currently Looking For A ‘Chief Wombat Cuddler’
My current thoughts to send on to Crystal Huff for Worldcon 75. Thoughts? Changes? Additions? I’m totally wrong on?
1. Put up example ballot a month (or months) beforehand so nominators can know what information you want from us
2. For each category explain what each field is for & include an example – I’ll be adding examples & where various of us asked for clarification – if you have examples/remember where you had questions please share
3. For people’s names include preferred format first last or last, first – will help with cleaning data and online resources which have popped up could work on consistency. Which do you prefer:
Vernon, Ursula
Ursula Vernon
4. Add a link field – a number of us started capturing links to “help” verify we are all nominating the same thing – suggest your preference by order for each category for example (Amazon, Goodreads, Authors/editors/magazine/artists website, etc.)
Book
Short
Editor
Campbell
Art
Etc.
5. Editor category – a couple editors asked to be nominated as a couple not separately for example Joshua Palmatier & Patricia Bray as well as Uncanny Editors (put real in) it would be helpful if the editor category had instructions on how to handle these situations i.e. 2 editors can be nominated together or don’t nominate 2 editors together list each separately & include an example to spell it out for dense nominators
6. Nomination ballot verification emails: One email a day if you’ve made changes or button to request copy of your ballot as it stands. Some disagreement on this. See File 770 x and x (I’ll replace with links later)
7. Be able to login and view your nominations even after voting closed
8. Store order of items as entered so as to not irritate people when entries are scrambled
9. Don’t put a scrollbox around the ballot as webpages already have scroll bars and it makes moving around the ballot painful
10. Pen names – would you like us to include their real name after the pen name? If so mention that and include examples in appropriate categories. For example:
T. Kingfisher aka Ursula Vernon
Kingfisher, T. aka Vernon, Ursula
11. Contact information – MacII has mentioned sometimes Hugo Admins have a hard time tracking shortlisted people down – maybe add a field for contact information as a number of voters might know phone number, email info, or link to “contact me forms” which could save time in tracking people down
Tasha,
By all means send these thoughts (and others) formally to the Chairs of Worldcon 75. I just want to assure you that next year’s Hugo administrator (me) is taking note.
Quoth the Pixel: Neverscroll
Hey, Watership Down is animated. That obviously means it’s for kids, right?
(Then, of course, there’s the folks who think that name should have been reserved for Brin’s Startide Rising.) 🙂
I got ‘cher three body problem right here.
Sort of like if it’s a super-hero movie, it must be for kids. Made going to see The Watchmen a bit uncomfortable when parents didn’t notice or care it was rated R.
I’m sure the same thing happened a lot for Deadpool. “It’s a Marvel movie. Let’s take the kids!”
@Nicholas Whyte on April 3, 2016 at 2:51 pm said:
Woot good to have you here. If your link gives me an email address I’ll include you in the final group thoughts I send to Crystal so you’ll have it in any easy to find place. I hope you don’t mind my doing this. My goals are to make it easier for both nominators and the Hugo admins who have to cleanup the data we enter. Please include any thoughts you have on how my/our request might make more of a mess or how else things could help if you’ve had experience cleaning up data in the past. 😉
When I was young, Watership Down was one of my favorite books. (Young enough that I didn’t quite realize that all the stuff about rabbit language and culture was made up.) I don’t think I’ve read it in some decades: I should give it a re-read to see how it holds up now that I’m an adult. I’ll certainly appreciate it more now that I’ve read Virgil’s Aeneid.
@KipW: Huh? M? I think you’re a bit older than me (I turn 48 this year) but I don’t remember US movies ever having a rating of M. When I was a kid, it was G, PG, R, and X. Then they added PG-13 as a halfway step between PG and R, and later on NC-17 for stuff too intense for even teenagers that was nevertheless not porn.
Today’s Read: In The Now, by Kelly Sinclair.
In this short book, an experiment intended to disprove reincarnation actually proves its reality instead, permanently altering the life of the experimental subject and by implication, eventually the world. Not a bad book, but also nothing that knocked me head over heels. It was OK. Reasonably well-drawn characters, reasonably interesting subject matter, but it sort of just … happened, then left. Might have worked a bit better tightened up and shortened to a novella or even novelette. Nonetheless, I’ll consider putting it on my Good Lesbian Romance SFF list in the “minor romantic elements” category.
As with David G, I only remember M ratings for cable television (and video games), not for theatrical movies.
Xtifr said:
I recall going to see Princess Mononoke during its US theatrical release and seeing an actual sign the theater had had to put up on the box office window emphasizing to less-observant parents that despite being a cartoon, it was R-rated.