Pixel Scroll 5/10/19 There Have Always Been Starpixelers At Scrolled Comfort Farm

(1) EUROVISION. In “Eurovision 2019 Is Here: Science Fiction Fans, Rejoice!”, Tor.com’s James Davis Nicoll supplies plenty of examples to show that “Although Eurovision itself may not be exactly SF, some of the pieces are definitely science fiction-adjacent. The visuals are often glorious, and the show as a whole is well worth viewing.”

(2) THEY’RE BACK. The Bounding Into Comics Facebook group was restored on May 9. Supposedly they still don’t know why it was shuttered, apart from a notice that they had violated “the Facebook Statement of Rights and Responsibilities.”

…As you can see the last post was our Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer article, which was posted on May 6th.

When we asked for further clarification on why the page was taken down. We did not receive a response.

While it’s still unclear exactly why Facebook took down our page, we are glad that it has been restored. And we are extremely grateful and truly humbled by the fan support we received after the page was taken down.

While we are happy to continue publishing to our Facebook audience. We do plan on continuing to grow our presence on other social media platforms including MeWe and Gab.

(3) LOCUS COLLECTION PRESERVED. Duke University Libraries announced a prized acquisition — “Locus Collection Tracks the Stars and Universe of Sci-Fi”.

The David M. Rubenstein Rare Book & Manuscript Library at Duke University has acquired the archives of the Locus Science Fiction Foundation, publisher of Locus, the preeminent trade magazine for the science fiction and fantasy publishing field.

The massive collection—which arrived in almost a thousand boxes—includes first editions of numerous landmarks of science fiction and fantasy, along with correspondence from some of the genre’s best-known practitioners, including Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke, Ursula K. Le Guin, Harlan Ellison, Octavia E. Butler, James Tiptree, Jr. (Alice Sheldon), Dean Koontz, Robert A. Heinlein, and hundreds more.

…A tireless advocate for speculative fiction, [founder Charles N.] Brown was also a voluminous correspondent and friend to many of the writers featured in the magazine. Many of them wrote to him over the years to share personal and professional news, or to quibble about inaccuracies and suggest corrections. The letters are often friendly, personal, humorous, and occasionally sassy.

Reacting to a recent issue of Locus that featured one of her short stories, the science fiction writer Octavia E. Butler wrote, “I am Octavia E. Butler in all my stories, novels, and letters. How is it that I’ve lost my E in three places in Locus #292? Three places! You owe me three E’s. That’s a scream, isn’t it?”…

(4) ANOTHER COUNTY HEARD FROM. The New York Times’ Glenn Kenny works hard to resist the movie’s charms in “‘Tolkien’ Review: A Fellowship That Rings Obvious”.

Directed by Dome Karukoski from a script by David Gleeson and Stephen Beresford, this picture about the pre-fame days of the author of “The Hobbit” and “The Lord of the Rings” teems with many on-the-nose moments. And it does so while hewing so strongly to the Distinguished British Biopic ethos (including the “England: Land of Magnificent Sunsets” trope) that it teeters on the edge of genuine obnoxiousness. Surprisingly, the emphatic score by the customarily more nuanced Thomas Newman is one of the prime offenders.

Nevertheless, “Tolkien” manages several scenes of credible emotional delicacy. And it doesn’t shy away from the conspicuously literary, treating the writer’s explorations of Wagner (sparked by his love interest and future wife Edith, played by Lily Collins) and passion for philology (sparked by chats with the intimidating professor Joseph Wright, played by Derek Jacobi) with a commendable amount of detail.

(5) SOMETHING FOR YOUR BRAIN’S POKÉMON CENTER. NPR’s Vincent Acovino calls “‘Pokémon Detective Pikachu’ — Go!”

Have you ever questioned the moral fabric of the Pokémon universe?

Sure you have. For starters: In what kind of world would “Pokémon battles” — in which two humans force two excessively cute creatures to a fight until one of the beasts faints — constitute an acceptable social convention? And isn’t the whole Trainer/Pokémon relationship more than a little … problematic? Who decided that wild Pokémon, who demonstrate a level of intelligence several degrees above that of other animals, should live out their lives under the constant fear of capture and exploitation by humans?

Your enjoyment of Pokémon Detective Pikachu will likely depend on your degree of investment in these sorts of existential questions.The strength of the film lies in the way it playfully undermines the Poké-verse, poking holes in a thing that, when reduced to its essentials, seems just real silly. Much like last year’s Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse, Pokémon Detective Pikachu looks itself in the mirror and remarks on what it sees there. And while it doesn’t pull off the trick nearly as well, there’s something admirable about a film that isn’t afraid to have some fun with a property so established — and beloved — by its core audience.

(6) ALL THE BEST: Following Paula Guran’s announcement of the contents of The Year’s Best Dark Fantasy & Horror: 2019, Jason has completed his “Collated Contents of the Year’s Bests (2018 Stories, Links)” over at Featured Futures.

Welcome to the third annual linked collation of annuals or “year’s bests.” As the contents of the Afsharirad, Clarke, Datlow, Guran, Horton, and Strahan science fiction, fantasy, and horror annuals have been announced, they have been combined into one master list with links to the stories which are available online. (The only one not yet integrated is the BASFF, which will likely be announced late in the year.) Hopefully, you’ll enjoy some of them and that will help you decide which annual or annuals, if any, to purchase.

(7) VAMPIRELLA’S PRIEST. Christopher Priest is writing Vampirella comics now. ComicsBeat questioned him about it — “Why Priest Added Vampirella to His Iconic List”

Deanna Destito: Before jumping into this, were you a Vampirella fan? What appealed to you about this project?

Christopher Priest: No, I wouldn’t call myself a Vampirella fan (which is sure to annoy Vampirella fans!), although I was certainly aware of the character. But I’d guess I viewed the property nostalgically. Fondly, for sure, but if I thought of Vampirella at all I thought of her in a kindly past-tense, as an artifact of the 1970s and my misspent youth….

(8) BEHIND THE SCENARIOS. I learned from this interview there’s a book of notes, too! “Getting Transreal: An Interview with Rudy Rucker” at B&N Sci-Fi & Fantasy Blog.

Your companion book, Notes for Million Mile Road Trip, is actually longer than the novel! The idea of following up reading a novel with that kind of metadata is fascinating; can you tell us more about it?

It’s hard to write a novel. It takes a year or maybe two years of tickling the keyboard at your desk or using a laptop in a cafe, and doing that pretty much every day, even on the days when you don’t know what comes next. This is where writing a volume of notes comes in. When I don’t have anything to put into the novel, I write something in the notes. I might analyze the possibilities for the next few scenes. Or craft journal entries about things I saw [that day]. Or describe some the people sitting around me, being careful not to stare at them too hard. Or think about how hopeless it is to try to write another novel, and how I’ve been faking it all along anyhow. The more I complain in my notes, the better I feel. I publish the finished Notes in parallel with with the novel, not that I sell many copies of the notes. Long-term, the notes will be fodder for the locust swarm of devoted Rucker scholars who are due to emerge any time now from their curiously long gestation in the soil.

(9) LORD WINSTON OBIT. Zombie Squad, an international network of dogs and other pets dedicated to protecting society from the walking dead, paid its respects on Saturday to Lord Winston, the indefatigable West Highland terrier who inspired the group’s creation in 2013 and had served as its official leader until his death on 21 April, aged nearly 15. Despite losing the use of his back legs following a series of operations, Lord Winston – via his British owner – posted daily messages and regular videos on Twitter, where prospective new members continue to be welcomed at @ZombieSquadHQ.

(10) TODAY’S BIRTHDAYS.

[Compiled by Cat Eldridge.]

  • Born May 10, 1863 Cornelius Shea. As the authors of SFE put it, “author for the silent screen and author of dime novels (see Dime-Novel SF), prolific in many categories but best remembered for marvel stories using a fairly consistent ‘mythology’ of dwarfs, subterranean eruptions, and stage illusion masquerading as supernatural magic.” To my surprise, only two of his novels are in the Internet Archive. 
  • Born May 10, 1886 Olaf Stapledon. Member of the Science Fiction and Fantasy Hall of Fame. Star Maker contains the first known description of what are now called Dyson spheres. (Neal Asher currently is making the best use of these in his Polity series.) He wrote about a baker’s dozen novels of which iBooks has pretty much everything available at quite reasonable prices. I know I read and enjoyed Star Maker many years ago but don’t recall what else I read. (Died 1950.)
  • Born May 10, 1895 Earl Askam. He played Officer Torch, the captain of Ming the Merciless’s guards, in the 1936 Flash Gordon serial. It’s his only genre appearance though he did have an uncredited role in a Perry Mason film where the SJW credential was the defendant in a Perry Mason murder case, The Case of Black Cat. (Died 1940)
  • Born May 10, 1899 Fred Astaire. Yes, that actor. He showed up on the original Battlestar Galactica as Chameleon / Captain Dimitri In “The Man with Nine Lives” episode. Stunt casting I assume.  He had only two genre roles as near as I can tell which were voicing The Wasp in the English language adaptation of the Japanese Wasp anime series, and being in a film called Ghost Story. They came nearly twenty years apart and were the last acting roles he did. (Died 1987.)
  • Born May 10, 1935 Terrance Dicks, 84. He had a long association with Doctor Who, working as a writer and also serving as the programme’s script editor from 1968 to 1974. He also wrote many of its scripts including The War Games which ended the Second Doctor’s reign and The Five Doctors, produced for the 20th year celebration of the program. He also wrote novelisation of more than 60 of the Doctor Who shows. Prior to working on this series, he wrote four episodes of The Avengers and after this show he wrote a single episode of Space: 1999 and likewise for Moonbase 3, a very short-lived BBC series. 
  • Born May 10, 1963 Rich Moore, 56. He’s directed Wreck-It Ralph and co-directed Zootopia and Ralph Breaks the Internet; he’s has worked on Futurama. Might be stretching the definition of genre (or possibly not), but he did the animation for “Spy vs. Spy” for MADtv. You can see the first one here:
  • Born May 10, 1969 John Scalzi, 50. I’ve enjoyed everything I’ve ever read by him. What would I recommend if you hadn’t read him? The Old Man’s War series certainly as well as the Interdependency series are excellent. I really have mixed feelings about Redshirts in that it’s too jokey.

(11) COMICS SECTION.

(12) MARVEL 1000. Marvel’s celebration of its 80th Anniversary will include a new epic comic book issue to celebrate the legacy of the Marvel Universe: Marvel Comics #1000.

Featuring 80 creative teams with luminaries from both classic and current comic books (and beyond!), this oversized one-shot will be packed with pages spanning across generations of Marvel’s iconic Super Heroes – with cover art from legendary artist Alex Ross!

Among those individuals, some of whom teased the project on social media this week, are long-time Marvel veterans — including Roy Thomas, Peter David, Gerry Conway, and Adam Kubert — and current creators — including Saladin Ahmed, Gail Simone, Chip Zdarsky, and Kris Anka — as well as talents outside of comics, like filmmakers Phil Lord and Christopher Miller, Taboo of the Black Eyed Peas, and basketball legend Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

(13) THE WORD FROM PORTALES. Locus Online’s “2019 Williamson Lectureship Report” quotes GoH Alex Rivera, criminalist Cordelia Willis (daughter of Connie) and others —

“We’re living in a time of walls,” said filmmaker Alex Rivera when introducing Sleep Dealer at the start of the 43rd Williamson Lectureship April 4-6, 2019 in Portales NM. “It’s a global obsession. How do we tell stories in such a world? In my film, I try to cross the consciousness of walls by looking at them, through them, and beyond them.”

(14) 124C41. Hephzibah Anderson’s profile of John Brunner focuses on his novel Stand on Zanzibar (taking the typical “sci-fi predicted it, gosh!” angle) in today’s BBC Culture post “The 1969 sci-fi that spookily predicted today”.

…Though it divided critics on publication, Zanzibar has come to be regarded as a classic of New Wave sci-fi, better known for its style than its content. This seems a pity. When an excerpt appeared in New Worlds magazine in November 1967, an editorial claimed that it was the first novel in its field to create, in every detail, “a possible society of the future”.

There’s irony in some of what Brunner got wrong. He assumed, for instance, that the US would have at last figured out how to provide adequate, inexpensive medical care for all by 2010. Other inaccuracies are sci-fi staples – guns that fire lightning bolts; deep-sea mining camps; a Moon base. And yet, in ways minor and major, that ‘future society’ nevertheless seems rather familiar today. For example, it features an organisation very similar to the European Union; it casts China as America’s greatest rival; its phones have connections to a Wikipedia-style encyclopaedia; people casually pop Xanax-style ‘tranks’; documents are run off on laser printers; and Detroit has become a shuttered ghost town and incubator of a new kind of music oddly similar to the actual Detroit techno movement of the 1990s.

(15) NEBULA REVIEWS. A full rundown of all the nominees for “The 2018 Nebula Awards” is preceded by an analysis of this year’s kerfuffle at Ohio Needs A Train.

The accusations of slate-building, especially as it’s so close to the Hugos being basically completely turned aside for a couple of years there by slating antics 4, led to tensions running fairly high and people running fairly hot on the issue. The SFWA, for its part, says that it wants to take this sort of thing seriously and is looking into ways to try to keep stuff like this from taking over, without (as of the time of this writing) mentioning what steps it may be taking. I suppose that’s fine, but it’ll be interesting to see if anything is different about the nomination process next year.

(16) LODESTAR REVIEWS. Lodestar Award Finalist Reviews by Sarah Waites at The Illustrated Page.

(17) FANTASY LITERATURE’S NOVELLA HUGO REVIEWS. Despite the name, the Fantasy Literature site reviews science fiction, fantasy, and speculative horror, as well as comics and graphic novels.

Best Novella

(18) WRIGHT OF WAY. Steve J. Wright has completed his Best Novelette Hugo Finalist reviews

Novelette

(19) SPACE PASTA. SYFY Wire reveals “Saturn’s rings are hiding moons shaped like frozen ravioli. Here’s why.”

Even from beyond its cosmic grave, NASA’s Cassini spacecraft continues to amaze us with the things it unearthed during its Saturn flybys — like the moons that have been lurking in its rings for billions of years.

When Cassini ventured as close as it would ever get to Saturn, it imaged the moons (which look like space ravioli) in enough detail to reveal that they were covered in the same stuff as its iconic rings. Some of them were even blasted with icy particles from nearby Enceladus. The posthumous images from Cassini’s flyby have given scientists unprecedented close-ups of these really weird satellites.

(20) CRIMESTOPPER. Keith R.A. DeCandido’s Great Superhero Movie Rewatch reaches the films inspired by Chester Gould’s iconic cop — “’Contact Dick Tracy at once’ — RKO’s Dick Tracy Features” at Tor.com.

While he’s pretty much a pop-culture footnote in the 21st century, Dick Tracy was a household name in the 20th. Created by Chester Gould for the eponymous comic strip in 1931, Dick Tracy saw the hard-boiled detective stop a bunch of over-the-top criminals with cutting-edge technology. Gould foresaw the advent of smart-watches with Tracy’s “two-way wrist radio,” and the character was hugely popular.

It wasn’t long before Tracy was adapted to the big screen, first with movie serials in the 1930s and then four one-hour feature films in the 1940s….

[Thanks to Steve Green, Jason, John King Tarpinian, Mike Kennedy, Carl Slaughter, Andrew Porter, Martin Morse Wooster, JJ, mlex, Cat Eldridge, and Chip Hitchcock for some of these stories, Title credit belongs to File 770 contributing editor of the day Jayn.]

73 thoughts on “Pixel Scroll 5/10/19 There Have Always Been Starpixelers At Scrolled Comfort Farm

  1. @Hampus Eckerman: My heart goes out to you! Hugs if/when/as you like. I’m so sorry for your losses.

  2. @Eli: please try responding to what I said, not your editing of it. I specifically addressed the claim “classic of the New Wave” (not just “classic”) because from what I was seeing at the time, “New Wave” did not apply to tellers of stories with radical slants (e.g., Spinrad); it applied largely to works that valued style over substance (including such substance as plot, motivation, …). Brunner may have been imitating a famously experimental work, but the experimentation is frills and worldspreading; the heart of the book is a story of people coping (to various degrees) with a changing world. (The fact that it got a Hugo — hardly a radical award at the time — is a measure of the substance of the book.) I am also a huge fan of the book, which is why I used it in place of Dune when I overhauled the syllabus someone had been using for years in the one case where I taught SF.

  3. I’m so sorry, Hampus. This is such a hard thing to go through. ::hugs::

  4. @Chip Hitchcock: my, what a bizarrely narrow and constrictive definition of “New Wave”. I suspect that few of the people involved, directly or peripherally, would enjoy being pigeonholed that way. “Style over substance”? Yeah, maybe sometimes, but that was just one of the innovations they tried while attempting to modernize the genre.

    As for awards: the stories in Dangerous Visions took two Hugos, two Nebulas, and had even more nominations. So the fact that Stand on Zanzibar also won a Hugo hardly seems to prove anything–except that people liked it. As they liked a lot of New Wave. (At least the good stuff. The New Wave was, of course, as subject to Sturgeon’s Law as anything else.)

    Stand on Zanzibar was innovative and stylish; it was inspired by modern literature of the time, rather than the pulps. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to call it New Wave. At least peripherally. After all, it’s not like you had to receive a personal blessing from the editor of New Worlds in order to qualify as “true” New Wave. 🙂

  5. 2019 Novel Reading

    Do You Dream of Terra-Two? by Temi Oh

    This is a novel about the development and beginning of a 23-year space colony expedition featuring a crew of which half are young adults groomed from a very early age to become astronauts who will be able to take over from their elders and still be alive to start the colony at the end of the journey.

    What I really enjoyed about this novel is the worldbuilding: the reasons for the space colony expedition, and the structure that was set up to achieve that end. The author does a pretty good job of fleshing out a diverse group of personalities amongst the characters. I also really liked that it was from a non-Americentric point-of-view: the main characters are all British, and it’s a slightly-alternate-history world where the British Interplanetary Society’s Daedalus Project was developed to fruition, sending probes to a distant star system where a Goldilocks planet similar to Earth was discovered.

    What I liked less was possibly what people who read a lot of YA books like more. I was hoping that since the young crewmembers are all at least 18 for most of the book, and there are older crewmembers as well, that there would be a lot of adulting going on, but… not so much. Yegods, the DRAMAs: childishness, romance, petulance, envy, spite, sex, existential crises, and on and on.

    And maybe it’s unrealistic to expect a group of kids who’ve been groomed from the age of 13 in a somewhat cloistered environment to be psychologically-well-adjusted — but if you’re going to expend millions of dollars and immense human resources on such a program, wouldn’t you at least try to ensure that they’re reasonably mentally-healthy??? This is at least the third SF novel featuring astronaut programs I’ve read in the last couple of years where the psychological screening of candidates seems to be nil, and the astronauts get lots of technical training, but no attempt has apparently been made to give them the extensive psychological training they’re going to need to be able to cope with crises and stay reasonably sane.

    And then there’s the dodgy astrophysics. I can overlook some little things (like an imaginary, extremely-fast propulsion system, and calling an unmanned deep-space probe a satellite), but late in the book there’s a pivotal shuttle excursion to a nearby space station, when the ship is traveling at a non-trivial fraction of lightspeed by that point, from which they’re supposedly going to return to the ship — which, in reality, would have been long gone and uncatchable upon their return.

    It sounds as though I enjoyed this book less than I actually did. It’s really a fairly-good debut novel (far, far better than either The Wanderers or Spaceman of Bohemia), with some lag in the middle of the book and an ending which seems rushed, but it was interesting enough for me to finish it. I do have to warn readers, however, that the ending is very much a cliffhanger, and that there’s obviously a sequel on the way.

    (N.B.: this book is 518pp long)

  6. The more I read about the Christophers Priest, the more I understand Original Recipe Christopher’s anger. I don’t see any attempt by the former James Owsley to explain why he adopted another writer’s name. If it was coincidental he could have said as much and if it was intentional that’s all kinds of wrong.

  7. rcade: If it was coincidental he could have said as much and if it was intentional that’s all kinds of wrong.

    The American Priest has actually said that. But it may be a self-serving retcon. And having read a number of the UK Priest’s nonfiction essays which are rife with, shall we say, “editorial license”, I don’t rely on his narratives to have more than a passing acquaintance with reality, either.

    There is no doubt a true story in here somewhere, but I doubt that we’re ever likely to hear it from either of the parties involved.

  8. @Chip: Your response somewhat clarified what you were trying to say. However, first, you are working from a very idiosyncratic definition of New Wave (as Xtifr said) so it’s absurd to rag on the article for correctly describing the consensus view; and second, your first comment was so unclear that it would be hard for anyone but you to know that you meant to insult the New Wave rather than Brunner, so to snipe at me for “editing” you, simply because I guessed wrong in the process of asking what you meant, is remarkably dickish. I’ll avoid responding to you in the future.

  9. @Xtifr: It’s a definition based on contemporary observation; you can draw wider borders if you like, but I suspect Brunner would sneer at being put inside them.

    After all, it’s not like you had to receive a personal blessing from the editor of New Worlds in order to qualify as “true” New Wave.

    Well, that depends on how wide you’re trying to draw the line. If you don’t see any gray area between pulps and Literature, you’re going to sweep up a lot of authors who at the time showed no interest in the gestures of the self-consciously revolutionary.

    @Eli: see above. I’ll bear up somehow, as we differ on who is being dickish.

  10. Chip Hitchcock on May 12, 2019 at 6:55 pm said:

    @Xtifr: It’s a definition based on contemporary observation

    And so is mine. The difference is that yours seems to be the sort of contemporary observation made by clueless outsiders who were scared of the new weird hippie types who were invading SF fandom, while I was one of those NWHTWWIF.

    As for Brunner’s opinion? First of all, it’s not relevant. And second of all, I don’t think he’d object as much as you suggest–he certainly seemed to enjoy hanging out in our weird hippie circles when he came across the pond. I can’t say I knew him very well, but I knew him moderately well, and no, I don’t believe he would have objected to the label. Not that it matters. SoZ was New Wave by any reasonable measure. And no, I’m sorry, but “but it was good!” is not a counterargument. The New Wave put out some of the best SF of that era!

    Despite the fact that Dangerous Visions was rather an uneven mess which suffered from a severe case of try-too-hard. 🙂

  11. Xtifr: if all you want to do is trade insults, I can say that you sound like the sort of burnout who spent the Sixties saying “Look at the colors!” instead of recognizing how many different things were going on in the field If you want to discuss, consider:
    * I was not a clueless outsider, and the opinions I have expressed are those of fellow contemporary readers, not outsiders.
    * Your impressions are no more reliable than mine; I liked a lot of what I saw as it was coming out, but there was also a lot that carried the aura of “We’re better because we’re *N*E*W*!” (Brunner has a comment about that in The Shockwave Rider
    * Your claim that Brunner’s opinion doesn’t matter is strange; what the author is aiming for is part and parcel of judging the work. (Whether they’re successful in communicating that aim is also part….)
    * I also don’t claim to have known Brunner well, but I spoke with him several times on a variety of subjects, including when I was editing his Worldcon GoH book; it was my impression that he’d hang around with anyone. I’d say Brunner’s opinions of “weird hippie circles” (which is very distinct from New-Wave-the-literary-style) vary widely; there’s a distinct thread of contempt in some of the portrayals in SoZ. If he liked hanging out with this crowd as you report, it may have been because he thought the hunting was easier; I’ve heard at least a couple of reports of his sexual predation, and I wasn’t even looking for them.
    * I’m quite aware that “but it was good!” is not a counterargument per se — there’s an Amis verse on that line — but I didn’t say that; what I said was that it was plotted (which was not true of a lot of what came out of writers proclaiming themselves New Wave) and that it got a Hugo — as did two stories in DV (which Ellison said was about breaking taboos, not about experimentation for its own sake), rather than any of the self-conscious look-at-me-being-novel works.
    ISTM that you are attempting to treat everything the Puppies would have disliked if they’d been around then as New Wave; this is … extreme.

  12. FYI, Fred Astaire was also in On The Beach, a post-apocalyptic grim tale of “surviving” nuclear war.

  13. >if all you want to do is trade insults

    Perhaps you should calm down and carry on or something.

    >don’t claim to have known Brunner well,

    Good.

    >but

    No buts. SoZ was New Wave along with a lot of other good stuff. Brunner himself certainly thought his writings at that time were part of the New Wave!

    SoZ is certainly harder-reading than a lot of other New Wave stuff, but for that matter, it was harder-reading than a lot of other contemparaneous Brunner writings. It’s not, as it happens, my favourite Brunner, partly because it feels in various places that he’s struggling to convey his thoughts; IMO good but not his best.

    As for what his personal life has to do with any of that, well, IMO that is not germane, and unlikely to be a fruitful discussion.

  14. > if all you want to do is trade insults

    I would prefer to have not been insulted (as a class, i.e. New Wave fans) in the first place. But I’m willing to tone it down if you are.

    > I was not a clueless outsider

    So you were actively involved in the New Wave somehow? I don’t care if you were a reader or SF fan–if you weren’t inside the New Wave, then you were an outsider.

    And taking the opinion of other outsiders as gospel for the motivations of any group is, frankly, a bit clueless. Though I might have found a more diplomatic way to phrase that if you hadn’t just insulted me. So I apologize for unnecessary bluntness.

    > also a lot that carried the aura of “We’re better because we’re *N*E*W*!”

    Yes, a lot of people involved (on both sides) were pompous and arrogant. You’ll get no argument from me about that. And a lot of New Wave was in Sturgeon’s 90%. But that still doesn’t mean the remaining 10% wasn’t actually New Wave simply because it wasn’t bad. That’s classic No True Scotsman.

    Bottom line: the idea that SoZ is New Wave is neither new nor controversial. Heck, Bruce Sterling’s introduction to a recent edition says so explicitly. And it’s only one of a plethora of sources. The fact that you don’t like the idea doesn’t mean it’s not the general consensus opinion.

  15. @Chip
    Your opinions are your own, but the way you’re expressing them makes you sound like a fugghead.

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