Pixel Scroll 6/11/19 When You Have Eliminated the Impixellable, Whatever Remains, However Unfileable, Must Be The Scroll

(1) GET ERIDANI TO THE PRESS. Alex Shvartsman has launched a Kickstarter appeal to fund publication of “Eridani’s Crown”.

When Eridani’s parents are murdered and their kingdom is seized by a traitorous duke, she plans to run. After she suffers yet another unendurable loss, the lure of revenge pulls her back.

Eridani’s brilliance as a strategist offers her a path to vengeance and the throne, but success may mean becoming everything she hates. To survive, she must sway religious zealots, outwit ambitious politicians, and confront bloodthirsty warlords, all with few allies and fewer resources. Yet the most menacing obstacle she must overcome is the prophecy uttered by a powerful sorceress:

Everyone you know and trust will come to betray you. 

In the opening hours his supporters have already given $1,009 of the $5,000 goal. The Kickstarter continues until July 11. He invites readers to preview the book —

Download and read an unedited copy of one of my favorite chapters. This is an early chapter, so it’s mostly spoiler-free. Mostly. (Note: The text has been laid out by me. The actual book will be laid out by a pro and therefore will look a lot nicer.)

Read “Forty-Seven Dictums of Warfare” at Daily Science Fiction. This was published as a standalone short story and is expanded within the novel. Spoilers for Teo, a minor but relevant character, as well as some other minor spoilers.

(2) TUNING UP FOR THE MOON “NASA’s return to the moon preparations include building ultimate music playlist — and your help is wanted” – the Virginian-Pilot has the story.

As NASA prepares for a trip back to the moon in 2024, it’s asking for the public’s help building the perfect playlist of songs for its astronauts.

The agency is taking suggestions from around the world for this playlist and you can submit your picks via this this form or on Twitter using the #NASAMoonTunes hashtag.

With the trip to the moon expected to take three days each way, the astronauts could potentially need a fairly robust list. You can hear some of the early choices at thirdrockradio.net.

NASA will accept nominations through June 28, but has a couple rules. First, no songs with “explicit titles, lyrics and themes.” Also, the songs must exist on an official streaming service (meaning sites like YouTube or SoundCloud won’t cut it).

(3) THE INSIDE STORY. A book edition of Nnedi Okorafor’s LaGuardia comics is available for pre-order from Dark Horse.

In an alternate world where aliens have integrated with society, pregnant Nigerian- American doctor Future Nwafor Chukwuebuka, has just smuggled an illegal alien plant named Letme Live through LaGuardia International and Interstellar Airport . . . and that’s not the only thing she’s hiding.

She and Letme become part of a community of human and alien immigrants; but as their crusade for equality continues and the birth of her child nears, Future–and her entire world–begins to change.

Written by Nnedi Okorafor, Hugo and Nebula award- winning author and the writer of Marvel’s Shuri.

Numerous sample pages are part of this Publishers Weekly article.

(4) SOMETHING OLD, SOMETHING NEW. Behind a semi-permeable paywall, Vanity Fair tells “Everything George R.R. Martin Is Doing Instead of Finishing A Song of Ice and Fire. Here’s the latest addition to the list —

… As confirmed Sunday in Microsoft’s keynote at the 2019 Electronic Entertainment Expo (or E3), Martin is currently collaborating with FromSoftware on Elden Ring, his first non-Game of Thrones video game, according to the Verge. FromSoftware has made several acclaimed video games, including Dark Souls, and as a fantasy game Elden Ring is well within Martin’s wheelhouse. But as exciting as the prospect might be for fantasy-game lovers, this will probably mean that Martin’s non-video-game-loving fans will have to wait even longer for the thing they really crave….

(Notwithstanding this Scroll item, File 770’s official position is that George R.R. Martin doesn’t need anyone’s approval to use his time and creative energy however he likes. As are we all,)  

(5) APPOINTMENT WITH DESTINY. And it appears from this NJ.com article that Martin’s schedule now includes attending this ceremony in October: “New Jersey Hall of Fame to induct George R.R. Martin, Martha Stewart, Laurie Hernandez (but not Anthony Bourdain)”.

On Monday, Gov. Phil Murphy announced the honorees for the class of 2018 at Newark Liberty Airport. The group of 19 inductees includes five women and 17 men (one band is in the mix). They will be honored at a ceremony in Asbury Park this October.

Martin, 70, grew up in Bayonne, and Stewart, 77, grew up in Nutley….

(6) MEDICAL UPDATE. Jim C. Hines shares info about his wife’s health setback in “Another Personal Update and Changing Plans”. The hope is —

If all goes well, the doctors are talking about maybe using CAR T-cell therapy after chemo. Ideally, we’re hoping this would be the new “finishing move” against the cancer.

(7) IN THE AUDIENCE. Z has generously posted a set of panel notes from Continiuum 15, the Australian National Convention.

(8) TODAY’S BIRTHDAYS.

[Compiled by Cat Eldridge.]

  • Born June 11, 1927 Kit Pedler. In the mid-1960s, Pedler who was a scientist became the unofficial scientific adviser to the Doctor Who production team. He would help create the Cybermen. In turn, he wrote three scripts for the series: “The Tenth Planet” (with Gerry Davis), “The Moonbase” and “The Tomb of the Cybermen” (also with Gerry Davis). Pedler and Davis also created and co-wrote Doomwatch which ran for three seasons on the Beeb. (Died 1981.)
  • Born June 11, 1929 Charles Beaumont. He is remembered as a writer of Twilight Zone episodes such as “Miniature”, “Person or Persons Unknown”, “Printer’s Devil” and “The Howling Man” but also wrote the screenplays for several films among them 7 Faces of Dr. Lao and The Masque of the Red Death. He also wrote a lot of short stories, so let’s see if there’s digital collections available. Yes, I’m pleased to say including several ones by legit publishers. Yea! (Died 1967.)
  • Born June 11, 1933 Gene Wilder. The first role I saw him play was The Waco Kid in Blazing Saddles. Of course, he has more genre roles than that starting out with Willy Wonka in Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory followed by Blazing Saddles and then Dr. Frederick Frankenstein in Young Frankenstein. He was Sigerson Holmes in The Adventure of Sherlock Holmes’ Smarter Brother, a brilliantly weird film who cast included Marty Feldman, Madeline Kahn, Dom DeLuise, Roy Kinnear and Leo McKern!  I’ve also got him playing Lord Ravensbane/The Scarecrow in The Scarecrow, a 1972 TV film based based on Nathaniel Hawthorne’s short story, “Feathertop”. (Died 2016.)
  • Born June 11, 1945 Adrienne Barbeau, 74. She was in Swamp Thing, also in the Carnivale series, a very weird affair. She provided the voice of Catwoman on Batman: The Animated Series. And she was in both Creepshow and The Fog. Oh, and ISFDB lists her as writing two novels, Vampyres of Hollywood (with Michael Scott) and presumably another vampire novel, Love Bites
  • Born June 11, 1959 Hugh Laurie, 60. Best known as House to most folks, his most recent genre role was as Mycroft Holmes in the Holmes and Watson film. He’s has past genre roles in The Borrowers, the Stuart Little franchise, TomorrowlandBlackadder: Back & Forth and Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased)
  • Born June 11, 1968 Justina Robson, 51. Author of the excellent Quantum Gravity series. I’ve not started her Natural History series, so would be interested in hearing from anyone here who has. 

(9) COMICS SECTION.

(10) LOL VS. LAW. [Item by ULTRAGOTHA.]So, an Attorney named T. Greg Doucette in North Carolina stumbled across the #StandWithVic hashtag and Vic Mignogna’s lawsuit (or, as he calls it, the LOLsuit) and started commenting on how badly it was written and, more generally, why it would probably fail. The resulting thread (into its sixth day!) is both hilarious and an education in defamation, actual malice (a term of art) tortious interference, and really bad lawyering. Behold! The thread starts here.  

(11) HALLOWEEN RECLAIMED. Your Worldcon visit may not stretch quite this long, but Lonely Planet wants you to know that “A new festival will celebrate Ireland as the birthplace of Halloween”.

The Púca festival will take place this year in Ireland’s Ancient East from 31 October to 2 November. It will make Ireland the place to be this Halloween, and it is expected that visitors from around the world will come and celebrate the country’s ancient traditions. According to Irish folklore and more recent archaeological evidence, Halloween can be traced back to the ancient Celtic tradition of Samhain. Samhain means ‘summer’s end’ in old Irish, and it marked the end of the Celtic year and the beginning of the new one.

(12) FAN MAIL. In “Hugo 2019 – Looking at Fan Writers Part 1”, Camestros Felapton considers what the nominees have on offer in the Hugo Voter Packet.

… And having read through the packet entries, I am no closer to voting beyond “I read this person regularly” versus “I don’t read this person much”. All worthy entries but I worry that the packet process gives a distorted view of fan writing as mainly reviews with some critical essays. I don’t want that to be read as disparaging reviews as part of fan writing, they are always going to be a key part of it.

(13) MEXICANX. John Picacio has started a read-along of the #MexicanXInitiative Scrapbook, which is nominated for a Hugo Award. Most of the tweets are not threaded, but the first entry is below, and the next five are: (1), (2), (3), (4), (5).  

Coincidentally, this is the 40th mention of the MexicanXInitiative in posts at File 770.

(14) HUGO CONTENDERS. Doris V. Sutherland provides substantial food for thought in “2019 Hugo Award Reviews: Short Stories” at Women Write About Comics.

Between them, these six stories take us on a trip through fairy tale lands with strange new inhabitants, past an alternate version of the United States’ founding, into a contemporary library staffed by witches, and finally towards a future of dangerous new technology. Some of these lands may be outwardly familiar; but this time, we are seeing them from unusual perspectives, our storytellers ranging from African-American slaves to sororal velociraptors. The overarching theme is undeniable — but the six writers represented here have given that theme a strong set of variations.

(15) THE BAG OF SHAME. The New York Times reports “Canadian retailers shaming plastic bag users”.

Some retailers in Canada have become creative to try and discourage consumers from using plastic bags, including by shaming them.

Shoppers at East West Market in central Vancouver who decide to pay for a plastic bag are given a bag with an embarrassing logo emblazoned on it like “Into the Weird Adult Video Emporium,” “Dr. Toews Wart Ointment Wholesale” or “The Colon Care Co-Op.”

(16) STICKING WITH IT. Gastro Obscura shows many examples of “The Surprising, Overlooked Artistry of Fruit Stickers”.

Some of the world’s best, most surprising graphic design can be found in one of the most mundane places: your local supermarket. …When most people encounter these stickers, it’s only to peel them off and try, often unsuccessfully, to flick them into the trash. But Kelly Angood sees something else in them, and peels them carefully off before adding them to her collection of hundreds—spanning countries, decades, and a dizzying variety of fruit.

(17) HIDEOUS PROFITS. The stickers might be the most beautiful part of these fruits and veggies, and yet there’s money to be made selling them: “’Ugly’ Produce Subscription Service Misfits Market Raises $16.5M”.

Today Misfits Market, the New York-based company that sells subscription boxes of irregularly-shaped produce, announced that it had raised a $16.5 million Series A funding round (h/t Techcrunch). Greenoaks Capital led the round.

…So-called “ugly” produce is having a moment. In addition to Misfits Market, companies like Imperfect Produce and Hungry Harvest also sell cosmetically imperfect and surplus produce through subscription boxes at a reduced cost, while Full Harvest serves the B2B side.

(18) STARING INTO THE MIRROR. Abigail Nussbaum takes on the Black Mirror, ‘Striking Vipers’” episode at Asking the Wrong Questions.

It feels strange to talk about Black Mirror reinventing itself. Even if you leave aside the fact that this is a show in its fifth season (plus two specials), a point where habits tend to be firmly fixed, what would be the impetus for it? From its scandalous premiere in 2011, Black Mirror has always been lauded for being exactly what it is. Even the people who have criticized it—for its cynicism, for its nastiness, for its reflexive distrust of technology—have helped to cement its brand, our idea of what a Black Mirror story is like and can accomplish. And yet, when you finish watching the three episodes of the just-released fifth season, there is no other way to describe them than as a departure. It’s probably the strongest season the show has fielded since its first, but it’s also the least Black Mirror-ish.

(19) SARTORIAL SPLENDOR. Sometimes it’s hard to make the perfect Hugo night fashion statement, then again, Scott Edelman shows that sometimes it’s s snap:

(20) RO, RO, RO YOUR ROBOAT. The Boston Globe shows how “In the future, Amsterdam’s canals might have robot boats”.

In the Amsterdam of the future, you might step out of the Rijksmuseum, the Anne Frank House, or one of the city’s hazy “coffee shops” and hop onto a robot boat to take you to your next destination. Outside the place you’re staying, in the early morning hours, you might hear other robot boats carrying away the trash.

That’s the vision of researchers at MIT, who teamed up several years ago with the Amsterdam Institute for Advanced Metropolitan Solutions.

They hope that one day, “roboats” will busily ply the city’s 165 canals, carrying people, goods, trash, and from time to time forming themselves into floating stages or bridges.

In a paper presented recently at the International Conference on Robotics and Automation, the researchers said they had taken another step in their ongoing project: developing the capability for the roboats to identify and connect to docking stations and other boats.

“The aim is to use roboat units to bring new capabilities to life on the water. . . . The new latching mechanism is very important for creating pop-up structures,” Daniela Rus, director of the Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, said in a statement from MIT.

(21) HEAVY METAL. Phys.org says this will be an especially hard piece of cheese: “Mass anomaly detected under the moon’s largest crater”.

A mysterious large mass of material has been discovered beneath the largest crater in our solar system—the Moon’s South Pole-Aitken basin—and may contain metal from the asteroid that crashed into the Moon and formed the crater, according to a Baylor University study.

“Imagine taking a pile of metal five times larger than the Big Island of Hawaii and burying it underground. That’s roughly how much unexpected mass we detected,” said lead author Peter B. James,

(22) THOUGHTS ABOUT A COLLECTORS EDITION. [Item by Carl Slaughter.] As I was getting settled in to my new apartment, I saw a Star Trek collectors edition special magazine.  I thought, “Star Trek in a small town in a farm state.  Evidence that Star Trek is widespread and endures.”  I was too busy buying furniture and household items to examine it.  I went back to the supermarket where I thought I remembered seeing it.  Then the other supermarket.  Didn’t even find any magazines, so I thought my mind was playing tricks on me.  Then I found it in the Dollar General store.  But Dollar General is a national chain.  But whether that magazine means Star Trek is in a small town or means Star Trek is national, that magazine tells us something about Star Trek.  And it’s the original series characters on cover, not JJ Abrams ones or the Discovery ones.  As for the magazine itself, it contains nothing new to Trekkies.  And it was $15  –  ouch.  

(23) WINGING IT. Here’s the trailer for Carnival Row, the Cara Delevingne, Orlando Bloom fantasy series destined for Amazon.

[Thanks to Andrew Porter, Carl Slaughter, John King Tarpinian, JJ, Chip Hitchcock, Cat Eldridge, Mike Kennedy, ULTRAGOTHA, and Martin Morse Wooster for some of these stories. Title credit goes to File 770 contributing editor of the day Niall McAuley.]

87 thoughts on “Pixel Scroll 6/11/19 When You Have Eliminated the Impixellable, Whatever Remains, However Unfileable, Must Be The Scroll

  1. jayn notes I gather a lot of the animus against GRRM is because I’ve read that he’s said publicly that no one else will write the Game of Thrones but him, nor complete it if he can’t, which is a frustrating thing for fans to hear. Granted, I can’t at the moment find a first-quote of him saying it.

    Errrr it is his fictional narrative so he can damn well decide who gets to finish it. If he doesn’t want anyone else to finish it, that’s his decision and his decision alone. If he stops now, so be it.

    This isn’t corporate fiction like Doctor Who or Stargate SG-1 where someone has to pick writers to keep a series going. GRRM can decide “Fuck it, that’s it” and end it whenever he wants.

  2. @ Cat Eldridge,

    Errrr it is his fictional narrative so he can damn well decide who gets to finish it. If he doesn’t want anyone else to finish it, that’s his decision and his decision alone. If he stops now, so be it.

    While GRRM is not “my bitch,” I do think there is an implied covenant between an artist and their audience that the artist will finish what they have begun. Would you publish a novel if it is half finished? Stop a movie in medias res? Probably not.

    GRRM can exercise his prerogative as a human being and an artist to stop whenever he wants. He need only face the consequences.

  3. Errrr it is his fictional narrative so he can damn well decide who gets to finish it. If he doesn’t want anyone else to finish it, that’s his decision and his decision alone.

    @Cat Eldridge:
    I don’t deny that. I was responding more specifically to what Hampus said here:

    Heck, he after long time he has become top of the pops, so let him enjoy himself with all the possibilities. As long as he is writing sometimes. Or at least gets a ghostwriter.

    If it’s true that GRRM has said no one will complete the series but him, there won’t be a ghostwriter. And while it is certainly GRRM’s right to arrange it so, it’s still a fan’s right to feel frustrated to know it.

  4. 22) The magazine area of B&N has lots of Collectors Editions, Ultimate Guides, etc. on almost any topic (entertainment, music, celebrities – especially ones who have recently passed on) Definitely worth looking inside them before purchasing. Some have pretty low quality images and very generic articles. Something published by Time or Newsweek are usually well researched, but a Star Trek Collectors edition published by one of the gossip rags is usually not worth it. Things like the quarterly Doctor Who Magazine Specials are always worth picking up, though I also pick up some of the music Ultimate Guide issues which are primarily reprints of articles from the UK music magazines over an artists career, which are usually quite good.

  5. jayn says If it’s true that GRRM has said no one will complete the series but him, there won’t be a ghostwriter. And while it is certainly GRRM’s right to arrange it so, it’s still a fan’s right to feel frustrated to know it.

    Really it’s not. Expecting any writer to finish something is luxury at best. Any number of reasons, health being one of of them, can mean a series stays incomplete. And it’s fiction, dam it, not a matter of life and death.

    I’m very frustrated right now that I cannot see a vascular surgeon for another month and that means I’ve got to live with near total occlusion of two arteries in my right arm which at times is quite painful. That’s frustration. Not seeing a series finished is just something you live with.

    Btw my PCP lives with the reality of being forty three years old and a kidney transplant survivor. We joke about which of us will outlive the other and I’m sixty one years old. Her frustration at not being able to better manage my severe TBI often truly frustrates her.

  6. More Meredith Moments: Stephen King’s Carrie is $1.99, as is Heinlein’s Starship Troopers and (may God have mercy on our souls) Friday.

    And Kazuo Ishiguro’s Buried Giant is $2.99.

  7. Joe H. says More Meredith Moments: Stephen King’s Carrie is $1.99, as is Heinlein’s Starship Troopers and (may God have mercy on our souls) Friday.

    I tried re-reading Friday while I was in-hospital figuring that’d be a good time to tankless some Heinlein. I got maybe fifty pages before I gave up. I think it was where he referred to her nipple being burned off that I realised RAH really got wrong with this novel. And don’t get me started on his final novel!

  8. I’ve revisited varying amounts of Heinlein over the years — most recently Orphans in the Sky but it’s always been the juveniles and the Moon is a Harsh Mistress-era stuff — never been able to bring myself to reread, e.g., Friday, Job or Number of the Beast.

  9. Joe H. saysI’ve revisited varying amounts of Heinlein over the years — most recently Orphans in the Sky but it’s always been the juveniles and the Moon is a Harsh Mistress-era stuff — never been able to bring myself to reread, e.g., Friday, Job or Number of the Beast.

    I’ve got a soft spot, though only the Queen of Air and Darkness knows why, for The Cat Who Walks Through Walls. Maybe it’s Pixel. Maybe it’s not. I don’t think I bothered reading Job.

  10. Joe H. said: I’ve revisited varying amounts of Heinlein over the years — most recently Orphans in the Sky but it’s always been the juveniles and the Moon is a Harsh Mistress-era stuff — never been able to bring myself to reread, e.g., Friday, Job or Number of the Beast.

    I think that if you read Farah Mendlesohn’s book on Heinlein (I just did) you’ll find your opinion of those later novels improved somewhat. She doesn’t let him off for his more egregious dunderheadednesses, but manages to make (some) sense even of Farnham’s Freehold, the book that, to me, always felt totally out of control.

  11. Dan’l Danehy-Oakes said:

    I think that if you read Farah Mendlesohn’s book on Heinlein (I just did) you’ll find your opinion of those later novels improved somewhat. She doesn’t let him off for his more egregious dunderheadednesses, but manages to make (some) sense even of Farnham’s Freehold, the book that, to me, always felt totally out of control.

    It occurs to me that that book is, in fact, sitting on my Kindle …

  12. @Cat
    I do sympathize greatly with your health issues, and wish you the best with them.

  13. @Cat Eldridge

    Ehhh. Stuff can be frustrating without being as frustrating as something else. I haven’t got much patience for the “GRRM needs to give up having a life until he finishes the series” attitude, but some basic, mild frustration which they don’t try to turn into his problem seems normal.

    I really don’t want a precedent set where those of us who face more unusual challenges get to stomp on everyone else’s.

  14. @Vicki Rosenzweig:

    Tucked in near the end of the article linked @21, it turns out that the “metal” part is a guess, and other possibilities include gas. Which sounds at least as interesting.

    How do you see that? “gas” doesn’t appear anywhere in the text; they do say it could be oxides rather than pure metals, but it would have to be something denser than its surroundings (not less dense) in order to produce the readings.

    @Cat Eldredge: I guess trading black humor with your caregiver is one way of bonding.

  15. The argument that we aren’t allowed to be frustrated when our train is late, because there is a war going on in Sudan is not helpful. Same with not being allowed to be frustrated when a book series isn’t finished.

  16. I don’t have any issue with expressing frustration: “I wish the Song of Ice & FIre series is complete so I can read the whole thing.”

    My issue is when fans start trying to tell authors how to live their lives, for example, “Why is George doing all these other things? He should be finishing that damn series!

    IMO the former is fine, the latter is not.

  17. Jayne says

    If it’s true that GRRM has said no one will complete the series but him, there won’t be a ghostwriter. And while it is certainly GRRM’s right to arrange it so, it’s still a fan’s right to feel frustrated to know it.

    I’m not sure people would say that, given that Martin already gave the story over to two ghostwriters and they finished the series for him. Seriously, every indication shows the series is done, with the ending Martin intended, I think anyone expecting a major change in the books will be disappointed.

    Of course given the reception of the ending, Martin may be thinking of rewriting things. Which will make the next four books even slower to write.

  18. Rose Embolism:
    Of course given the reception of the ending, Martin may be thinking of rewriting things. Which will make the next four books even slower to write.

    Actually, I don’t have as much of a problem with the ending as some others. I think the main problem was the truncated season. If they had more episodes to work with, they could have backfilled the plot & done appropriate foreshadowing and it wouldn’t been as abrupt, and viewers wouldn’t have felt blindsided.

    (It was like someone had their finger on the fast-forward button skipping between high points. Big chunks of the plot were described in passing in that last episode, chunks that would have taken whole episodes to play out in earlier seasons.)

  19. I have no idea what the ending is, because I didn’t like the TV-series and stopped after first season. It was too slow for me. Well, the last book was too slow too, but I could at least skim pages.

    Anyhow, I think most of us are damned tired of all entitlement out there now. Frustrated, sure. Tell your friends. Vent a bit. No prob. But starting internet driven campaigns about it? No. Please no. I can’t really understand people who manage too keep that much investments in a series.

    Haven’t they found anything else to read over the last eight years?

  20. @ Hampus Eckerman

    Anyhow, I think most of us are damned tired of all entitlement out there now. Frustrated, sure. Tell your friends. Vent a bit. No prob. But starting internet driven campaigns about it? No. Please no…Haven’t they found anything else to read over the last eight years?

    Agreed. For example, they could always read the Malazan Book of the Fallen. 🙂

  21. I totally agreed that publicly insulting and castigating the writer for the length of time in writing is uncouth and unwarranted.

  22. Soon Lee said: (It was like someone had their finger on the fast-forward button skipping between high points. Big chunks of the plot were described in passing in that last episode, chunks that would have taken whole episodes to play out in earlier seasons.)

    It kind of reminded me of the Harry Potter films, especially the last few, where if you’d already read the books you’d be able to follow along but if you hadn’t, I don’t think it would’ve made any sense at all. (The difference being, of course, that with Game of Thrones, we don’t have the books yet, so the best you can do is try to kind of interpolate the “missing” sections.)

  23. Rose says I’m not sure people would say that, given that Martin already gave the story over to two ghostwriters and they finished the series for him. Seriously, every indication shows the series is done, with the ending Martin intended, I think anyone expecting a major change in the books will be disappointed.

    Now where did you hear that? Everything I’ve heard says GRRM is still writing it himself. So do cite a reliable source for that claim.

  24. @Cat Eldridge

    I’m pretty sure Rose was referring to the television adaptation, not the books, so the “ghostwriters” in question would be Benioff and Weiss.

  25. @Soon Lee —

    Actually, I don’t have as much of a problem with the ending as some others. I think the main problem was the truncated season. If they had more episodes to work with, they could have backfilled the plot & done appropriate foreshadowing and it wouldn’t been as abrupt, and viewers wouldn’t have felt blindsided.

    What Soon Lee said.

    Except, didn’t I read somewhere that Jon Snow is still dead in the books? I’ve only read the first book, so I have no idea!

  26. Meredith says I’m pretty sure Rose was referring to the television adaptation, not the books, so the “ghostwriters” in question would be Benioff and Weiss.

    Eh? Are we saying that we’re ghostwriting books based on the series?

  27. IIRC, the Jon Snow thing happened at the end of Dance with Dragons, the last book published, so we just haven’t seen what happens next.

    I haven’t read any of the Winds of Winter excerpts that have shown up in various places, so I’m not sure if we’ve seen anything that would address Jon’s fate in the books yet.

  28. @Soon Lee

    Actually, I don’t have as much of a problem with the ending as some others.

    I’m fine with the ending, and arguably it was foreshadowed right from the beginning of the novels:

    “Yet someday he may be the lord of a great holdfast and sit on the king’s council. He might raise castles like Brandon the Builder”

    The kingdoms certainly will need a great deal of rebuilding.

    I think the main problem was the truncated season.

    Agree, and even within that truncated season, it seems to me that time was allotted more based on what would make cool visuals, than on what would drive the plot forward.

  29. @Contrarius: better to say Jon Snow is currently dead in the books. I have no doubt that he’ll get better.

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  30. I think part of the disappointment some fans had with the ending of Game of Thrones is how conventional it ended up being. There were a lot of mysteries posted, and I remember people having fun speculating what the real background was*. As it is though, it turned out to be a rather standard 1970s style grimdark fantasy. Even the political end wasn’t much of an interesting twist. So it’s a bit unsatisfying, and based on that one interview I don’t think Martin was that satisfied either with that rough draft.

    * I still wish that fan idea that everything was taking place on a giant colony ship had turned out to be correct.

  31. “I still wish that fan idea that everything was taking place on a giant colony ship had turned out to be correct.”

    Really? That was a thing? That’s awesome! When I was a kid I always wanted to write an computer adventure game that started out as a conventional fantasy until the player discovered the door leading out into the encompassing space ship.

  32. @Ambyr – cool. I’m sure I picked up the idea somewhere, but this would have been early 80s, well before I came across anime.

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