What’s In The 2018 Hugo Voter Packet?


By JJ:
On May 30, the 2018 Hugo Awards voter packet became available for download by Supporting, Attending, Youth, Child, and Active Duty members of Worldcon 76. The packet is an electronic collection which helps voters become better informed about the works and creators on the ballot. Works which are included have been made available through the generosity of finalists and their publishers.

The voter packet contains complete texts of many Hugo-nominated works, preview versions of some works, and directions for finding some finalists’ works online. Some novels have been made available through NetGalley, which requires a user account for access (registration is free).

The packet is available for download from the Worldcon 76 website in the “Hugo Voter Packet” section. You must have a valid Membership Number and PIN to download the packet. If you have recently joined Worldcon 76, you will be sent a membership number and PIN shortly after joining. Your PIN will be e-mailed to you using the e-mail address you entered when you registered with Worldcon 76. If you do not receive the e-mail, or your name or membership number and PIN fail to authenticate, you can use the PIN lookup page to request your PIN.

If you haven’t yet downloaded this year’s Hugo Voter Packet and wish to download only selected parts, or if you’re still trying to decide whether to purchase a membership, a breakdown of its contents is presented below.

The Hugo Voter Packet will be available for download until the voting deadline at 11:59 pm Pacific Daylight Time on July 31, 2018. As in previous years, Worldcon 76 asks that voters honor publishers’ and creators’ request that they reserve these copies for their personal use only, and that they do not share these works with non-members of Worldcon 76.

Only members of Worldcon 76 can access the 2018 Hugo Award Voter packet and vote on the 2018 Hugo Awards. To become a member of Worldcon 76, see the membership page.

If you don’t have access to the Hugo Voter Packet, here is a list of links to read the 2018 Hugo Finalists which are available for free online. Some detailed discussions of the Finalist works can be found on the 2018 Hugo Award Finalists announcement thread, as well as in other posts on File 770.

Worldcon 76 and WSFS are deeply appreciative of the publishers, authors, artists, editors, and other creators who have generously provided their works to this year’s Hugo Voter Packet, and ask that voters who feel the same way consider posting on social media to thank the publishers, editors, and creators who have participated in the packet.

My thanks to Camestros Felapton for assistance with the multi-part category packets.

Here is the breakdown of the 2018 Hugo Voter Packet contents:

Best Novel (17.0 MiB)

  • The Collapsing Empire, by John Scalzi  – complete novel in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • New York 2140, by Kim Stanley Robinson – watermarked PDF excerpt
  • Provenance, by Ann Leckie – watermarked PDF excerpt
  • Raven Stratagem, by Yoon Ha Lee – complete novel in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Six Wakes, by Mur Lafferty – watermarked PDF excerpt
  • The Stone Sky, by N. K. Jemisin – watermarked PDF excerpt

Best Novella (31.0 MiB)

  • All Systems Red, by Martha Wells – complete novella in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • And Then There Were (N-One), by Sarah Pinsker – complete novella in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Binti: Home, by Nnedi Okorafor – complete novella in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • The Black Tides of Heaven, by JY Yang – complete novella in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Down Among the Sticks and Bones, by Seanan McGuire – complete novella in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • River of Teeth, by Sarah Gailey – complete novella in EPUB, MOBI, PDF

Best Novelette (11.4 MiB)

  • “Children of Thorns, Children of Water“, by Aliette de Bodard – complete novelette in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • “Extracurricular Activities“, by Yoon Ha Lee – complete novelette in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • “The Secret Life of Bots“, by Suzanne Palmer – complete novelette in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • “A Series of Steaks“, by Vina Jie-Min Prasad – complete novelette in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • “Small Changes Over Long Periods of Time“, by K.M. Szpara – complete novelette in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • “Wind Will Rove“, by Sarah Pinsker – complete novelette in EPUB, MOBI, PDF

Best Short Story (32.5 MiB)

  • “Carnival Nine“, by Caroline M. Yoachim – complete story in EPUB, MOBI, PDF, RTF
  • “Clearly Lettered in a Mostly Steady Hand“, by Fran Wilde – complete story in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • “Fandom for Robots“, by Vina Jie-Min Prasad – complete story in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • “The Martian Obelisk“, by Linda Nagata – complete story in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • “Sun, Moon, Dust“, by Ursula Vernon – complete story in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • “Welcome to Your Authentic Indian Experience™“, by Rebecca Roanhorse – complete story in EPUB, MOBI, PDF

Best Series

Series Part 1 of 5 (211.9 MiB)

  • The Stormlight Archive, by Brandon Sanderson – series guide in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • The Way of Kings [#1], by Brandon Sanderson – EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Words of Radiance [#2], by Brandon Sanderson – EPUB, MOBI, PDF

Series Part 2 of 5 (199.0 MiB)

  • Oathbringer [#3], by Brandon Sanderson – PDF

Series Part 3 of 5 (183.4 MiB)

  • Oathbringer [#3], by Brandon Sanderson – EPUB, MOBI
  • The Curse of Chalion [#1], by Lois McMaster Bujold – EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Penric’s Fox [Novella #4], by Lois McMaster Bujold – EPUB, MOBI, PDF

Series Part 4 of 5 (249.5 MiB)

  • A Natural History of Dragons [#1], by Marie Brennan – EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • The Tropic of Serpents [#2], by Marie Brennan – EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Voyage of the Basilisk [#3], by Marie Brennan – EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • In the Labyrinth of Drakes [#4], by Marie Brennan – EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • The Cloud Roads [#1], by Martha Wells – EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • The Serpent Sea [#2], by Martha Wells – EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Stories of the Raksura [Collection #2], by Martha Wells – EPUB, MOBI
  • The Dead City (Novella from Stories of the Raksura #2), by Martha Wells – PDF

Series Part 5 of 5 (111.7 MiB)

  • Within the Sanctuary of Wings [#5], by Marie Brennan – EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • The Divine Cities, by Robert Jackson Bennett – PDF with links to novels on NetGalley, which are available as EPUB or MOBI:

(City of Stairs [#1], City of Blades [#2], City of Miracles [#3])

  • InCryptid Novels – PDF with links to novels on NetGalley, which are available as EPUB or MOBI:

(Discount Armageddon [#1], Midnight Blue-Light Special [#2], Half-Off Ragnarok [#3], Pocket Apocalypse [#4], Chaos Choreography [#5], Magic for Nothing [#6])

  • InCryptid Short Fiction – 9 complete stories in EPUB, MOBI, and PDF:

(Bad Dream Girl, Balance, Jammed, Oh Pretty Bird, Red as Snow, Sleepover, Stingers and Strangers, Survival Horror, The Flower of Arizona)

(the rest of the InCryptid short fiction is available for free online here)

Summary of Series works in packet:

  • Books of the Raksura, by Martha Wells – Books #1 and #2 of five + Collected Stories #2
  • Divine Cities, by Robert Jackson Bennett – all 3 novels
  • InCryptid, by Seanan McGuire – 6 novels + 9 short works
  • Memoirs of Lady Trent, by Marie Brennan – all 5 novels
  • The Stormlight Archive, by Brandon Sanderson – all 3 novels + series guide
  • World of the Five Gods, by Lois McMaster Bujold – Novel #1 of three + Novella #4 of six

Best Related Work (18.2 MiB)

  • Crash Override, by Zoe Quinn – watermarked PDF excerpt
  • Iain M. Banks (Modern Masters of Science Fiction), by Paul Kincaid – PDF excerpt
  • A Lit Fuse: The Provocative Life of Harlan Ellison, by Nat Segaloff – PDF excerpt
  • Luminescent Threads: Connections to Octavia E. Butler, edited by Alexandra Pierce & Mimi Mondal – complete book in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • No Time to Spare: Thinking About What Matters, by Ursula K. Le Guin – complete book in PDF
  • Sleeping with Monsters: Readings and Reactions in Science Fiction and Fantasy, by Liz Bourke – excerpt in EPUB, MOBI, PDF

Best Graphic Story

  • Black Bolt, Volume 1 – not in packet

Graphic Story Part 1 of 2 (238.2 MiB)

  • Bitch Planet, Volume 2: President Bitch – PDF of complete work
  • Monstress, Volume 2: The Blood – PDF of complete work

Graphic Story Part 2 of 2 (214.8 MiB)

  • My Favorite Thing is Monsters – PDF of complete work
  • Paper Girls, Volume 3 – PDF of complete work
  • Saga, Volume 7 – PDF of complete work

Best Dramatic Presentation (Long Form)

nothing in packet

Best Dramatic Presentation (Short Form) (101.4 MiB)

  • The Deep by Clipping – MP4, MP3, WAV + cover JPG

nothing else in packet

Best Editor – Long Form (47.3 MiB)

  • Sheila E. Gilbert – PDF list of works with excerpts
  • Joe Monti – PDF list of works with links to excerpts
  • Diana M. Pho – PDF list of works; note that this includes a number of ineligible short fiction works which should be disregarded for the purposes of the award
  • Devi Pillai – PDF list of works
  • Miriam Weinberg – PDF list of works
  • Navah Wolfe – EPUB, MOBI, PDF list of works with excerpts

Best Editor – Short Form (56.2 MiB)

  • John Joseph Adams – list of works edited + Lightspeed collection of 48 works in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Neil Clarke – list of works edited + Clarkesworld Issue #132 in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Lee Harris – list of works edited + excerpts of 5 novellas in EPUB, MOBI, PDF; the complete text of 3 of these is in the Novella packet
  • Jonathan Strahan – PDF list of works edited + Infinity Wars and Best SF of the Year #11 anthologies in EPUB and MOBI
  • Lynne M. Thomas & Michael Damian Thomas – Uncanny Magazine sampler with 24 fiction and non-fiction works and 6 poems in EPUB, MOBI, PDF; same as in Semiprozine
  • Sheila Williams – Asimov’s Science Fiction double issue Sep-Oct 2017

Best Professional Artist

Professional Artist Part 1 of 3 (151.6 MiB)

  • Galen Dara – 6 works in high-res and low-res TIF and JPG versions

Professional Artist Part 2 of 3 (100.3 MiB)

  • Kathleen Jennings – 6 JPG
  • Bastien Lecouffe-Deharme – 6 JPG
  • Victo Ngai – 4 PNG
  • John Picacio – PDF with 5 images

Professional Artist Part 3 of 3 (158.9 MiB)

  • Sana Takeda – 7 TIF + 9 JPG

Best Semiprozine

Semiprozine Part 1 of 2 (213.1 MiB)

  • Escape Pod – 5 works/fictioncasts in EPUB, MOBI, PDF, MP3, plus links to online versions

Semiprozine Part 2 of 2 (47.7 MiB)

  • Beneath Ceaseless Skies – Issue #235 in EPUB, MOBI, PDF, PRC
  • The Book Smugglers – PDF sampler with 10 fiction and non-fiction works
  • Fireside Magazine – sampler with 18 fiction and non-fiction works in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Strange Horizons – sampler with 10 fiction and non-fiction works in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Uncanny Magazine – sampler with 24 fiction and non-fiction works and 6 poems in EPUB, MOBI, PDF; same as in Editor Short Form

Best Fanzine (170.7 MiB)

  • File 770 – PDF with links to 30 online works
  • Galactic Journey – sampler of 10 works in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Journey Planet – Issues #33, 34, 35, 36, 37, and 38 in PDF
  • nerds of a feather, flock together – sampler of 33 works in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Rocket Stack Rank – 4 articles, 1 monthly summary, and 1 annual summary in EPUB, MOBI, PDF + info PDF
  • SF Bluestocking – sampler of 21 works + 1 work in EPUB, MOBI, PDF, DOCX

Best Fancast (181.5 MiB)

  • The Coode Street Podcast – PDF with Episode Guide + links to Episodes #305, 308, 316 online
  • Ditch Diggers – Episodes #36, 38 and 39 in MP3
  • Fangirl Happy Hour – transcripts of Episodes #71, 73, 75, 77, 78, 80 and 98 in EPUB, MOBI, PDF + links to MP3s online
  • Galactic Suburbia – PDF with links to Episodes #167 and 168 MP3s online
  • Sword and Laser – Episode Guide in PDF, Episode #308 in MP3
  • Verity! – PDF with info + links to 3 episodes online

Best Fan Writer (25.0 MiB)

  • Camestros Felapton – EPUB, MOBI, AZW3, PDF + cover JPG
  • Sarah Gailey – 3 PDF
  • Mike Glyer – PDF
  • Foz Meadows – PDF
  • Charles Payseur – PDF
  • Bogi Takács – PDF

Best Fan Artist (120.8 MiB)

  • Geneva Benton – 4 PNG + info PDF
  • Grace P. Fong – 6 JPG + info PDF
  • Maya Hahto – 6 JPG + info PDF
  • Likhain (M. Sereno) – 4 JPG
  • Spring Schoenhuth – 6 JPG
  • Steve Stiles – 4 TIF + 2 JPG

The WSFS Award for Best Young Adult Book (185.8 MiB)

  • Akata Warrior, by Nnedi Okorafor – watermarked PDF excerpt
  • The Art of Starving, by Sam J. Miller – PDF complete novel
  • The Book of Dust: La Belle Sauvage, by Philip Pullman –  not in packet
  • In Other Lands, by Sarah Rees Brennan – complete novel in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • A Skinful of Shadows, by Frances Hardinge – PDF with link to NetGalley complete novel in PDF
  • Summer in Orcus, by T. Kingfisher – complete illustrated novel in MOBI, PDF, 5 types of EPUB

John W. Campbell Award (19.3 MiB)

  • Katherine Arden – The Bear and the Nightingale – watermarked PDF of complete novel
  • Sarah Kuhn – Heroine Complex – PDF with first 3 chapters and link to NetGalley complete novel in EPUB and MOBI
  • Jeannette Ng – Under the Pendulum Sun – novel excerpt in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Vina Jie-Min Prasad – 2 complete stories in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Rebecca Roanhorse – 1 complete story in EPUB, MOBI, PDF
  • Rivers Solomon – An Unkindness of Ghosts – watermarked PDF of complete novel

* if you encounter any incorrect information, please let me know in the comments *

57 thoughts on “What’s In The 2018 Hugo Voter Packet?

  1. Thanks to the rights holders for sharing.

    Out of interest, just how do you turn a single novel, even a crazy huge 1240 page novel into a 200Mb pdf? Multiple very hi-res illustrations? Much detailed non-standard fonts? Every page an embedded jpg rather than text?

  2. Short story:
    In MOBI at least, “Sun, Moon, Dust” is the same uncanny collection that is in Semiprozine and Editor short form. “Welcome to your authentic Indian experience TM” is the August edition of Apex.

  3. I don’t have anything from La Belle Sauvage in the packet I downloaded…. I had to go and buy a copy. (Which was no hardship, actually. The standard for this inaugural year of the YA award has been exceptional, in my opinion. The Pullman book is just one among some very good books.)

  4. Thanks to JJ and to rights holders!

    Note that NetGalley works have DRM. Copies with Adobe DRM expire in 55 days from download, but they can be downloaded again until the publisher makes them unavailable (Aug). Copies sent to Kindle remain available in your Amazon account.

    A Skinful of Shadows (ya book) is only in DRMed PDF at NetGalley and was pretty much unreadable when I tried sending it to my Kindle. All the rest of the NetGalley works are available in both EPUB and Kindle format (or at least epubs convert much better than pdf when sent to Kindle).

    Some tiny additional details:

    Series summary is missing Book #2 of The Books of the Raksura (3 books total: Books 1 & 2 + Stories 2).

    Asimov’s Sep/Oct is in EPUB, MOBI, and PDF. Although a brief look at the epub and mobi formats made me decide to read it in pdf. (Incidentally all six 2017 issues of Asimov’s were “double” as they now publish bi-monthly.)

    SF Bluestocking’s 2 samplers are also available in DOCX (Microsoft Word).

    Camestros Felapton’s sampler is also in AZW3 (another Kindle format), plus a JPG of the cover. OPF is just metadata.

    Mike Glyer’s fan writer PDF is again links to online articles — different than the File 770 pdf, of course. (And both are nicely organized in sections with a brief description for each link.)

    As Steve said, La Belle Sauvage was not included.

    Summer in Orcus has 5 versions of EPUB. (Perhaps so the illustrations will look better on different screens?)

  5. I’m very curious as to how Devi Pallai qualifies for Editor, Long Form. She lists only 4 books (which is the minimum). However, two of them were originally published in 2016, and Oathbringer by Brandon Sanderson had Moshe Feder as its main editor. She listed Sins of Empire by Brian McClellan in last year’s packet, but it wasn’t published until 2017. So it and Six Wakes are the only 2017 works I can find where she was the primary editor.

    I’m sure she’s involved in many other aspects of publishing at Tor now, but I thought the category was intended for those who are the main editor working directly with the authors specifically on the prior year’s works.

    @Andrew
    No, the Retro packet has been “releasing in a few days” ever since the 2018 packet appeared.

  6. Laura: I’m very curious as to how Devi Pallai qualifies for Editor, Long Form.

    Near as I can tell, she doesn’t. As you say, 2 of the 4 works she’s listed were published in 2016. Six Wakes was started by her, but finished by Kelly O’Connor after Pillai left Orbit to become an Assistant Publisher at Tor a year ago. And I’m kind of shocked that she’s listed Oathbringer, since I know that Moshe Feder is Sanderson’s editor (Sanderson credits her with “editorial assistance” in his preface).

    I wonder if the Hugo Admins did any eligibility verification this year. They let Diana Pho list several short works in her credits for Long Form, which should not have been allowed. And at least 9 of the 34 Professional Artist images were published in 2016 or 2018 and are not eligible, either.

    It’s really not fair to the other Finalists to allow these things. I hope that they look into Pillai’s eligibility and get the ballot revised if appropriate. And I’m really wondering how she could have possibly not known that she wasn’t eligible. 😐

  7. ETA: Six Wakes was published in January 2017, while Pillai was still at Orbit. Lafferty’s acknowledments say “Devi Pillai and Kelly O’Connor are excellent editors”.

  8. I am curious, if Pillai’s resume for editing in 2017 is as light as it appears, only 3 books and in 2 of them she was not the primary editor, will Hugo voters put her below “No Award”? What do folks on this board think? Would you vote her above or below “No Award” based on the available information?

  9. Pillai actually moved from Orbit to Tor in 2016.

    The artist packets bug me too. John Picacio’s El Arpa was originally published in at least 2013 as part of his Loteria project — although I suppose it wasn’t actually in a SFF publication until it became the January 2017 Uncanny cover. I’m not as bothered by the 2018 covers as they could conceivably have been completed in 2017, but who knows.

  10. Laura: they could conceivably have been completed in 2017

    Eligibility is based on the year that the piece was first published in a professional speculative fiction publication. It doesn’t matter when it was completed.

    I’m not quite as concerned about the artists, since I know that they’ve done sufficient eligible works. I just think that it’s really poor form for voters to be judging based on works that weren’t published for the first time last year.

    And you’re right, Pillai went to Tor in mid-2016, so she can’t claim full credit for Six Wakes, either. The other editors have listed their co-editors. It’s really odd that she didn’t.

    Yes, I’m going to be putting her below No Award — assuming that the Hugo Admins don’t get things fixed and take her off the ballot. I suppose it’s too late to move whoever the 7th finalist is up onto the ballot. It’s going to suck for that person when the longlist comes out. 🙁

  11. Jesse,
    I’m not sure at this point what I’ll do. I’m leaning toward 6th place or just leaving her off my ballot. I wouldn’t disagree with anyone deciding to put her below No Award though.

  12. JJ: Eligibility is based on the year that the piece was first published in a professional speculative fiction publication. It doesn’t matter when it was completed.

    Yeah, I know. But as you say, it doesn’t bother me much. Just a little annoying. It should be easy enough to provide things that are clearly in the qualifying year.

    Ugh, I hadn’t really thought about editor number 7 on the longlist. I actually nominated Pellai on the strength of Six Wakes. I thought, “Well, she won’t make the ballot if she’s not eligible.” I was looking forward to seeing what else she had worked on. Really disheartened that it certainly seems she shouldn’t be a finalist. And, of course, most people won’t realize. Although a meager list of four compared to others (especially Gilbert’s extensive list! with nice size excerpts!) doesn’t look great.

  13. Laura on June 21, 2018 at 7:06 am said:

    I’m very curious as to how Devi Pallai qualifies for Editor, Long Form.

    When this year’s Hugo Administrators were checking potential long form Editors for eligibility (and before we contacted potential finalists to get their confirmations), we identified at least 4 works edited by Devi. What we did not do was to check that the 4 works Devi submitted to us were 2017 works. When this was brought to our attention, we contacted Devi, who provided additional 2017 works. Dave McCarty, the lead Administrator, tells me that the Hugo Voter Packet will be corrected to reflect the revised information.

  14. we identified at least 4 works edited by Devi

    That sentence should have read “…we identified at least 4 works edited by Devi that were published in 2017.”

    Incidentally, to amplify what others have said, it’s the publication date of the work that matters, not the date when the editing was done. So it’s possible for someone to be eligible for 2018 for works that were published in 2017 but where all of the editing was in a prior year.

  15. Even if the 1943 Hugo voter packet is not ready yet, it would be nice if the Hugo Administrators could provide a synopsis of what they know will be in the packet at this time.

  16. I’m Brandon’s assistant, and I can assure everyone that Devi’s work on Oathbringer was extensive and comparable to the amount Moshe did for this book. For all practical purposes if not in name, Brandon’s books at Tor are now co-edited by Devi.

  17. nickpheas: The Oathbringer PDF’s size is due to the high-resolution images of the artwork. I recommend the ePub version because many of the images are in color there. The mobi version may have reduced quality or may be too large to email to your Kindle address.

  18. I No Award both Best Editor categories because editing is too nebulous and too difficult to judge, I think, and I No Award categories that I believe should not exist. (As this discussion demonstrates!)

  19. I do the best I can to consider the categories as they stand. However, I wouldn’t be too upset to see person categories dropped or exchanged for work specific ones.

  20. Kevin Standlee: Dave McCarty, the lead Administrator, tells me that the Hugo Voter Packet will be corrected to reflect the revised information.

    Hopefully, the revised list will do the courtesy of crediting her co-editors.

  21. Frankly I’m not willing to count Oathbringer. Moshe Feder is the only one credited as the editor on the copyright page. Sanderson specifies in the acknowledgments that Moshe Feder was his editor on this project. Then like JJ said, he thanks Pillai for “essential publishing and editorial aid.” That doesn’t seem like co-editor to me.

    I believe Pillai was the main editor for Six Wakes. Kelly O’Connor was an Assistant Editor at Orbit. She’s no longer there either. And with a Jan 2017 pub date, it’s easy to imagine that editing might have been pretty much complete before Pillai left.

  22. @Jesse H:

    I am curious, if Pillai’s resume for editing in 2017 is as light as it appears, only 3 books and in 2 of them she was not the primary editor

    Then again, the one book she WAS a primary editor for became a (deserved, IMHO) Hugo finalist… that should count for something.
    I remember that quite a few people, including John Scalzi (and, I think, OGH), thought Jerry Pournelle was mistreated by being no-awarded, even though his one editor credit was for a Castalia anthology of works running the full gamut from “plodding” to “despicable”.

  23. microtherion: a few people… thought Jerry Pournelle was mistreated by being no-awarded, even though his one editor credit was for a Castalia anthology

    That’s really quite a different situation. Pournelle was a Short Form Editor finalist, and even though he had only edited one work in the award year, he was still at least actually eligible:
    Best Editor Short Form. The editor of at least four (4) anthologies, collections or magazine issues (or their equivalent inother media) primarily devoted to science fiction and / or fantasy, at least one of which was published in the previous calendar year.

    Based on the information we have, Pillai is not actually eligible according to the rules. It will be interesting to see the new information when the Hugo Admins provide it.
    Best Editor Long Form. The editor of at least four (4) novel-length works primarily devoted to science fiction and / or fantasy published in the previous calendar year that do not qualify as works under [Editor Short Form].

  24. Laura: Some tiny additional details:

    Laura, thanks for the fixes. I was pretty tired when I was finishing this up. Mike has applied changes at my request. 🙂

  25. Still haven’t gotten anything. The PIN I had isn’t working. Sent an email to pinrecovery last night; haven’t heard back yet. 🙁

  26. Kevin Standlee:

    Dave McCarty, the lead Administrator, tells me that the Hugo Voter Packet will be corrected to reflect the revised information.

    How will eventual updates to the packet be communicated? Have there already been any changes to the packet since it was first made available?

    I would appreciate it if the admins add notes to the download pages for any zips that have been updated, and preferably also gives a more visible heads up that there’s been some changes.

  27. microtherion:

    Then again, the one book she WAS a primary editor for became a (deserved, IMHO) Hugo finalist… that should count for something.

    No one is questioning the quality of her editing. We know she’s edited past Hugo-winning and current Hugo-nominated novels. We’re questioning quantity. You need at least 4 in the qualifying year regardless of the Hugo-worthiness of any one of them. So far we know of three:

    Six Wakes (possibly co-edited with Kelly O’Conner)
    Oathbringer (definitely co-edited with Moshe Feder)
    Sins of Empire

    She needs at least one more.

  28. JJ,
    You’re very welcome. I had previously made up a list for my own reference, and I got some corrections from your list too. For example, I didn’t realized that Under the Pendulum Sun was only an excerpt. It wasn’t marked as such in the packet, and I already had my own copy.

  29. Ray Radlein on June 22, 2018 at 12:25 am said:

    Still haven’t gotten anything. The PIN I had isn’t working. Sent an email to pinrecovery last night; haven’t heard back yet.

    Ray: Does the PIN Recovery Page work for you? If your membership is associated with the e-mail you are using, this is supposed to automatically send you your voting credentials without human intervention being required.

  30. @JJ (& @Camestros Felapton for assisting): Thanks for the detailed post! I’m not sure I realized some of the artwork wasn’t 2017 (I didn’t look closely, blush, or do a lot of research). Thanks for mentioning that.

    @Kevin Standlee: Thanks for the info re. Pillai! And basically, what @Johan P wrote; how will we know of updates, and can they please be detailed so we know what’s changed, etc.?

    Many thanks to the Hugo Admins for checking for additional works and updating the packet info, and to whoever(s) put together the packet, of course.

    @Peter Ahistrom: Thanks for the information.

    @Ferret Bueller & @Andrew: LOL!

  31. @Jesse H: If someone’s ineligible, I would put No Award last and leave them off my ballot (not rank them). It makes no sense to vote for/rank someone who isn’t eligible, so I wouldn’t. Apparently that won’t be the case here, fortunately. (Again, I nominated Pillai, so I hoped she was eligible, and it sounds like she is.)

    That said, in other situations, like if they’re eligible and I’m okay with them winning but am using No Award above them for Reasons, then I might rank them below No Award. I did that a couple of times in the Puppy years, e.g., my ballot had A, B, C, No Award, D, and then I left E off the ballot entirely. That’s unusual for me and I can’t see doing that in a normal year like this year, however.

    Anyway, YMMV; that’s how I do things.

  32. I nominated Devi Pillai. I didn’t realize you had to have 4 novels in the year in question, so I never check eligibility when nominating editors. ::blush:: I’ll try to remember to do better. But I’m happy to hear she is eligible., and I look forward to updated information.

    Anyway, we take a lot on faith with both editor categories (don’t get me started on two people nominated as one person). IMHO it’s overly nit-picky to try to parse [ETA: really, guess] how much work someone did on the book, how much might have been done for all we know before they left company A for company B, etc. The rules have nothing about primary/secondary/etc. editing, nothing about partial credit if you’re co-editing, etc. Editors aren’t required to have 8 books under their belt for a year if they were all co-edited, for example. 😛

    So if someone worked on a book and says they edited it, I believe them and that’s sufficient for me. It seems unfair to apply extra technical requirements that aren’t part of the real technical criteria of the rules. (I’m not talking about No Award’ing categories you don’t like, et al.)

    Anyway, that’s my take on it.

  33. JJ & Laura, thanks for the explanation of your reasoning re: eligibility. However, it seems to me that the traditional remedy in cases of eligibility is for the administrators to remove the nominee from the ballot, not a no-awarding.

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  35. @microtherion
    I’m happy to hear confirmation that Pillai is eligible, and that it was actually checked before the finalists were contacted. I would never have thought otherwise until the packet came out and it really appeared that she didn’t have the minimum. I am baffled that she would only list two qualifying books, include a couple ineligible ones, and leave off at least one eligible book. And I still want to know what the additional novel(s) are.

    Of course admin should do their best to make sure no one ineligible is on the ballot in the first place and correct as quickly as possible otherwise. And I’m satisfied that that’s pretty much exactly what happens. But No Award is an option if someone felt they didn’t follow the rules correctly. In this case, I would most likely have just left her off my ballot, if we hadn’t gotten more info. Although I wouldn’t say anything against someone else voting however they saw fit.

  36. KendalL: IMHO it’s overly nit-picky to try to parse how much work someone did on the book, how much might have been done for all we know before they left company A for company B, etc. The rules have nothing about primary/secondary/etc. editing, nothing about partial credit if you’re co-editing, etc. Editors aren’t required to have 8 books under their belt for a year if they were all co-edited, for example.

    That’s absolutely true. It’s also completely reasonable for a Hugo voter to look at the following credits for two different editors, and make relative judgments based on that:

    Editor X
    • Book A
    • Book B
    • Book C
    • Book D
    • Book E
    • Book F
    • Book G
    • Book H

    Editor Y
    • Book J (with Editor S)
    • Book K (with Editor T)
    • Book L (with Editor U)
    • Book M (with Editor V)

    And when I’ve read several of the books on an editor’s list of credits, and happen to know that the authors credited other editors, but the list doesn’t name them as co-editors… well, that really seems not terribly cool to me. 😐

  37. microtherion: it seems to me that the traditional remedy in cases of eligibility is for the administrators to remove the nominee from the ballot, not a no-awarding.

    Yes, but I have no control over what the Hugo Admins do; I’ve only got control over what I do with my own ballot.

  38. @Kevin Standlee:

    Heard back from the email I sent about the PIN recovery page; they claim I am not registered, which does not match with my recollection at all (but then, my memory is nowhere near as good as it used to be, so).

    I guess I’ll have to check my financial records and see if I paid up back when I recall paying up. 🙁

  39. @JJ: Your example list slightly confuses me, but anyway, I try to consider quality (in a perfect world, first-hand; realistically, sometimes second-hand). I doubt I’d consider quantity and (as you can tell) I don’t care whether someone listed co-editors.

    I’m no mind-reader. I don’t know if an editor knew/understood how the information’s used, had a bad day, were on deadline, were sick, were focused on a sick friend or pet, or are just selfish.

    Plus, “What did you edit?” feels like a resume-style question (where methinks people never list co-workers), especially given the eligibility verification part of the context.

    So, while credit is great and folks should strive to credit others, given #1 this specific context and #2 my lack of mind-reading powers, I feel it’s understandable and forgivable if someone didn’t list co-editors. Penalizing someone based on one thing I know (author credited X and Y; X didn’t mention Y) and one thing I don’t know (why X didn’t mention Y) would feel unfair to me, but obviously YMV.

    ETA: Edited to change it from “you” to “I” and the “unfair” to how it feels to me . Apologies!

  40. Kendall, let me put it a different way.

    Suppose one of the editors of Luminescent Threads: Connections to Octavia E. Butler was a finalist in the Editor Short Form category. Would you expect to see an (edited with xxx) notation next to the title on their credits list? I would.

    It’s not a question of “penalizing” someone for not including it. It’s a question of what is standard practice and courtesy in the publishing world.

    That said, given the other issues in the packet, for all we know, she did include the credit, but it was left out by an intermediary.

  41. I’m not worried about quantity over quality — except for meeting the requirements of the category. If the rule didn’t specify at least 4, I’d say one really stellar novel was enough. I usually nominate long form editors based on one book. And co-editing is fine, but I’d like to primarily consider those works that weren’t co-edited. I think they should mention co-editors because that’s what others have done this year and previously.

    Thinking about the pro artist packet again, I wonder if they’re advised to provide work which appeared in a SFF publication during 2017. Or just asked for recent pro work.

  42. I don’t have to go to the library for YA! I’m saved! (The voters got me to buy Akata Witch and it’s delightful.) (I had Book of Dust already.)

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