Hugo Slates Inspire Altered States

This roundup starts with a link to some Hugo data, followed by a long assortment of opinions, then a couple of smaller segments focused on ideas for changing the Hugo rules, and voting No Award.

Screenshot of Hugo nominating statistics

Peter Watts on Rifters

And they call it… Puppy Love… – April 5

The thing is, we’re encouraged to act this way. We’re expected to: by agents, by publicists, by publishers who can no longer be bothered promoting their own authors. I know of one case where an agent explicitly refused to represent an author simply because that author wasn’t pimping herself on Twitter. It’s now considered unprofessional to eschew constant tub-thumping. Nobody takes you seriously if you don’t stand out from the crowd— and the only way to do that, apparently, is by doing exactly what everybody else is doing, only louder. Which is how someone who markets herself as a Fearless Progressive Speaker of Truth to Power can beg off boycotting an event over a clear matter of principle by saying “Nah, I’ve got a book to hustle” with a completely straight face.

Pimpage comes first, ethics run a distant second, and the Sad Puppies are not the only gang to run under that flag.

In fact, if you squint a certain way you can almost see how the Sad Puppies’ campaign is actually more honorable than the relentless self-promotion that’s somehow come to be regarded as de rigeur in this business. Put their reactionary motives aside for the moment; at least the puppies were, for the most part, advocating for people other than themselves. All other things being equal, whose opinion generally comes seasoned with less conflict-of-interest: the foodie who raves about the little hole-in-the-wall she discovered last Friday, or the chef who praises his own bouillabaisse to the heavens?

Which is not to say, of course, that self-promotion doesn’t work. It obviously does. (I don’t know if anyone in the genre has won more awards than Rob Sawyer, and offhand I can’t think of a more relentless self-promoter.) Then again, no one’s really questioning the effectiveness of the strategy that’s riled up the current teapot. It’s the underlying ethics that seems to be at issue.

So, sure. If you’re an end-justifies-the-means sorta person, then by all means decry the block who stacked the deck and got-out-the-vote in pursuit of their antique right-wing agenda; praise the more progressive folks who try to get you to eschew straight cis white male writers for a year. But if the road matters to you as well as the destination, don’t lose sleep over the fact that the bad guys played a better game this time around.

Give a thought to the rules that promote such strategies in the first place.

Elizabeth Bear on throw another bear in the canoe

“i spent all day yesterday waiting at a red light” – April 5

Fandom happens because people take care of it, nurture it, and make it a fun place for people to be. Preferably, an inclusive place. If anything, we often err too far on the side of putting up with assholes, because we’re bad at excluding people. There are plenty of people in fandom who I think are jerks, idiots, pains in the ass, complete eye-rolling cramps, and/or moon men. Some of those people do valuable work for the community, even while I’m facepalming over their opinions. All of them got into it the same way I did–by being volunteered or (as is very common) voluntold. These people refer to themselves as SMoFs as a joke, you understand. Jobs often get done in haphazard ass-backward ways because they are done by anybody willing, and often on limited time, in the cracks of a busy life, and with little or no funding….

There’s a new custom circulating in my tribe, and I think it’s a good one, so I will be adopting it. I have not in the past and I will not in the future participate in any popular award voting slate, public or private. I will not vote for any story or person or institution that is nominated for a popular award after agreeing to be on such a slate. I believe that slate-voting is unethical and perverts the purpose of the awards–and disadvantages almost everyone, quite frankly–and I am personally invested in making sure my fandom does not decay into a series of cage matches. That is the ethical decision I am making for myself.

 

Dave Freer on Mad Genius Club

“Bring it on” – April 6

I was quite pissed off I’d told SP3 and RP that I didn’t want to be on the slate. EDITED FOR CLARITY: I put the fact that I felt there were better more deserving people to target (such as my co-writers Amanda and Cedar) up ON MAD GENIUS CLUB. I did not contact either SP or RP organizers. They in no way ignored my request. I was in no way at all shamed or upset by being on the list. Got it, jackasses? No you can’t use it to bully Brad Torgersen. I can’t force you to quote me, any more than I could force Brad to read that on MGC or act on it, but I sure as hell will rub your noses in this if you try.

I don’t take to bullying well. I’m usually pretty easy going, but a behemoth picking on little guys infuriates and disgusts me (which is what this is. Tor is still the biggest, most powerful traditional sf publishing house at present. They wield a great deal of power and influence. They can (and have in the past) destroy and make careers.) It rubs every hair on my very hairy head the wrong way, which gave me some bad hair days, poor me.

And then it got worse. We had some joker called Steve Davidson, whose total contribution to sf seems to have been purchasing the IP address for ‘Amazing Stories’ and then emptying his bowels onto it, issuing threats and ultimatum to authors that if they didn’t renounce SP3 they’d be vewwy vewwy sorry.

 

Damien Walter in the Guardian

“Are the Hugo nominees really the best sci-fi books of the year?” – April 6

By putting forward a slate of predominantly American nominees, the campaign organisers have been able to lever the votes of a minority of non-attending members to “hack” the voting process and dominate the award nominations. Remarkably, this is all within the rules of the Hugos, and the moral defence put forward by campaign organisers for what many people would consider cheating is their belief that block voting is common in the award-giving process.

The Hugos and Worldcon have always been – much like the baseball World Series – a world event in name only. Hugo winners have been overwhelmingly from the US, with almost no non-anglophone works even considered for the awards. But over the past decade or so, the Hugos and Worldcon have become much more diverse and interesting, with many more women, writers of colour and international voices among nominees and winners. It’s that diversity which has been lost in this orchestrated backlash.

Jim C. Hines

“10 Hugo Thoughts” – April 5

6. They’re just trying to expand the ballot and make it more inclusive/representative/diverse. I can see a little of that, if I squint. The puppies pushed to get a successful self-published author onto the ballot, for example. They talked about getting tie-in works nominated, but didn’t actually include any on their slate. They did give tie-in author Kevin J. Anderson his first Hugo nom for one of his original books. But if your campaign ends up putting the same author on the ballot in six different spots, then no, you weren’t looking very broadly for nominees. And far more of the comments and rhetoric seemed to be about sticking it to SJWs…

embrodski on Death Is Bad

“Sad Puppies Rebuttal”

Ahem. As everyone knows, there were problems with the Hugos. Many of us acknowledged this, and said it wasn’t that bad and it was being handled internally. His most relevant point is that he disagrees. [Larry Correia wrote] “there wasn’t a green room at any con in the country where you couldn’t find authors complaining about the sorry state of things. But nobody did anything. […] But still nobody did anything, and it got worse and worse. […] So I did something.”

Now, I’m in the camp of “It was a problem, but not a huge one.” But, to be honest, I can’t recall of anyone doing anything to fix it. Maybe something was happening? But not so that I noticed. It was mainly swept under the rug. Losing a slot or two per year to these forces didn’t feel like a big deal to me, certainly not something I would put a ton of personal effort into fixing, and I imagine most people felt the same way. Larry saw it as a bigger problem. And you know what? He did do something. And I respect the fuck out of that. It didn’t work out exactly how he’d like it to, but shit, when does anything? It’s not like there’s a playbook for this sort of thing, he’s flying by the seat of his pants, and that takes tons of guts. What the hell did any of us do? We all said in private “Man, Throne of the Crescent Moon was bad,” and some of us said it in public, but did a single person on our side publically raise the point that this should never have gotten a Hugo Nomination? Why *did* it take Larry and his crew to say that?

It sucks that we lose an entire year of Hugos to this Sad Puppies nonsense, but maybe it’ll help us be a bit more honest with ourselves in the future. Maybe we’ll feel freer to speak our minds without being worried about being called racist. That would be a good thing.

 

Arthur Chu on Salon

“Sci-fi’s right-wing backlash: Never doubt that a small group of deranged trolls can ruin anything (even the Hugo Awards)” – April 6

To vote on the Hugos you have to either know and care a ton about science fiction–or you have to be convinced that science fiction is part of the vast liberal conspiracy arrayed against you and make a disingenuous post calling you and your friends “Sad Puppies” over said liberal conspiracy. $40 is a lot of money to pay to express your opinions, even strongly held ones, about fiction you love–but it’s a cheap price to stick it to liberal pro-diversity elitists you hate….

We should have learned a long, long time ago that “Just let the public give their input” is a lazy, useless and above all dangerous way to make decisions. If you want democracy you have to put effort into designing a process that actually makes sure your voting population matches the relevant population and to keep the process from being captured by bad actors. If that’s too hard for you, then accept that democracy is too hard for you and find some other way to claim legitimacy for the decision you end up making.

But don’t just leave your process open to the public and unguarded, unless you want The Comments making your decisions for you. Best case scenario, you end up with egg on your face that can be easily wiped off, like a bridge named after Stephen Colbert.

Worst case scenario, your public platform becomes a mouthpiece for the worst people in the world, who won’t give it back until they’ve run it into the ground.

 

 Adam Roberts on Sibiliant Fricative

“2015 Hugos: Delenda Est Hugo” – April 6

Nick Mamatas has it right, I think: the action of the Puppies was a piece of efficiently executed political strategy, and the response needs to be political if we want it actually to bite. This means one of two things, I’d say: either to organise an anti-Puppies slate for next year, with all the labour and cat-herding that implies. I have some doubts as to the achievability of this, and many doubts as to its desirability: for it would remove the Hugos even further from the notion that works and individuals get nominated according to their merit. Personally I think the better strategy is otherwise, essentially a Delenda est Hugo approach. First, coordinate to ensure ‘No Award’ wins every category this year. Then move to relocate the community’s esteem elsewhere. The Puppies set out to destroy the Hugos. Let them. Napoleon thought he had won the battle of Borodino, but actually he lost it. Let the Puppies retreat through the winter wasteland of community hostility and indifference. The Puppies, after all, are not interested in winning Hugos per se; they are interested in the esteem associated with the Hugos. But that does not magically inhere in the rocket-shaped trophy. It’s the other way around. The trophy functions as an index of the esteem of the community as a whole. This year’s shortlist breaks the connection between the first of these things and the second. So it goes. It is the whole community that controls how it distributes its esteem, not any one pressure group; such esteem cannot be ‘gamed’ by the coordination of voting blocks. Once upon a time the Hugos were the genre’s Blue Riband award; functionally they have not been that for several years . But there are other awards which are, even as we speak, producing much better shortlists: Tiptree award and Kitschies, to name but two. Why not invest the esteem of the community as a whole in those

 

Larry Correia on Monster Hunter Nation

A letter to the SMOFs, moderates, and fence sitters from the author who started Sad Puppies – April 6

This blog post is directed at the newcomers, the fence sitters, the undecided, and the unlucky SMOFs who’ve been caught in the crossfire. There is no need to address my detractors, because they have already repeatedly demonstrated that they’ll just ignore what I actually say and do, and fabricate their own wild and crazy narrative about what I secretly meant to say.

This is going to be get long, but there are a lot of things being tossed around that I need to respond to.

For those of you just joining us, Sad Puppies 3 was a campaign to get talented, worthy, deserving authors who would normally never have a chance nominated for the supposedly prestigious Hugo awards.

I started this campaign a few years ago because I believed that the awards were politically biased, and dominated by a few insider cliques. Authors who didn’t belong to these groups or failed to appease them politically were shunned. When I said this in public, I was called a liar, and told that the Hugos represented all of fandom and that the awards were strictly about quality. I said that if authors with “unapproved” politics were to get nominations, the quality of the work would be irrelevant, and the insider cliques would do everything in their power to sabotage that person. Again, I was called a liar, so I set out to prove my point.

 

Addendum to Yesterday’s Letter – April 7

Yesterday the following media outlets ran articles about the Sad Puppies campaign, in which they either directly said or insinuated that it was run and populated by racist straight white males with the goal of keeping scifi white and male. (not true)

The Telegraph Entertainment Weekly Salon Huffington Post Slash Dot io9 The Guardian

It was almost like they were all reading off the same script.

Most of them said our slate was exclusively white, straight, and male (not true)

Most of them said that last year was a big win for diversity (I believe last years winners were all white and one Asian).

Most of them said our slate was exclusively right wing (not true, in fact the majority skew left, we have socialists, liberals, moderates, libertarians, conservatives, and question marks. To the best of my knowledge, I believe that last year’s “diverse” winners all espoused the same social justice politics).

But there is no bias in this perfectly functioning system. My side said that political narrative trumped reality in this business. Believe me yet?

Larry Correia in a comment

I went to 13 cons in 2014, from 500 to 150,000 people. I love cons. However, the only place I’d be likely to find more people who actively despise me and want me to die in a fire than WorldCon would be WisCon. Which is on my list of places to visit, right after Mordor and Hell.

So instead I usually go to GenCon, and this year I’m going to DragonCon.

 

Brad R. Torgersen

“A dispatch from Fort Living Room”

I ordinarily keep my family pictures private. I don’t share many of them on the internet. But in this instance, I think I’ll post one. That’s my wife Annie, my daughter Olivia, and me, back in 2008 — when we first moved into our (then) new house in Utah. As of the writing of these words, Annie and I have been married for over 21 years. We’re opposites in most ways. Personality opposites. Political opposites. And — apropos to this particular discussion — racial opposites. From the time we got married in the Salt Lake City LDS Temple in December of 1993, until now, it’s been an exercise in learning how to live together, cherish, and love one another, despite the differences. I’m proud of my wife. She’s not only smart, she’s got an enormous heart, I’ve never seen her judge people unfairly, and she’s never been afraid to roll up her sleeves and get her hands dirty. Of all the decisions I’ve ever made in my life, deciding to marry Annie was by far the best. She is my best friend. She is my lover. She is the mother of my child. She is, quite simply, the better part of everything that I hold dear and precious in this world.

Those of you who watch this space know that I’ve taken on a bit of a burden since January. It’s explicitly related to the field of Science Fiction and Fantasy literature, so I won’t bore anyone with all the long, nerdish details. Suffice to say, the Sad Puppies 3 project has brought me into the epicenter of a heated contest inside the field. It’s a very “inside baseball” affair. But today — thanks to the magic of the internet — it took on a much wider, much more personal dimension.

Because a blog “journalist” named Isabella Biedenharn — working beneath the banner of Entertainment Weekly — penned a short, error-laden article titled, “Hugo award nominations fall victim to misogynistic, racist voting.” The mistakes in the article could have been easily avoided if Isabella had done some research into the issue she was reporting on. Near as I can tell, Isabella was spoon-fed some links and a very rushed and sloppy narrative about Sad Puppies 3 being racist and woman-hating, and she posted all of this without stopping to consider whether or not anything she was disseminating into the wider world was true, and accurate.

 

Scott Edelman

“In which the Sad Puppies prove to be more powerful than L. Ron Hubbard” – April 6

For those who weren’t around in 1983 … a history lesson. Because, as I’ve said before, science fiction’s culture wars have been with us always.

The Sad Puppies, who have successfully campaigned their slate onto the ballot, hope they can break the Hugo Awards in order to rebuild them—a sentiment which has, I’m afraid, a bit too much of a “we had to destroy the village in order to save it” ring for my comfort. But note this isn’t the first time such a concept has been put forward.

“If you too are unhappy with the Hugo system, it’s time to do your bit,” wrote Charles Platt in his editorial to the March-May issue of The Patchin Review. He didn’t put a full slate forward back then, just a single novel, written by … well … you can see the name of the author in a box at the bottom of the front cover.

That’s right—L. Ron Hubbard, whose novel Battlefield Earth had been published in 1982.

Platt posited in his editorial—

If he won, would it bring about a reformation of the Hugo system, or even its abolition? There’s only one way to find out.

As Platt shared in the editorial reproduced below, he’d written Hubbard and the organization promoting the novel to let them know one needn’t attend Worldcon in order to make this happen, and that anyone willing to cough up $15.00 for a supporting membership could vote.

 

Rhiain on According To Hoyt

“Not Your Shield – Rhiain” – April 7

Yes, it is that simple. This non-white chica will be happy to rub that in your face for as long as it takes. Your multicultural diversity schtick bores me, is completely without reason, and is annoying the hell out of me with all the overemotional and oversentimental tripe thrown in. You call this a justification for the current status quo of the Hugos as recently as last year? The more you whine about your lack of privilege in this arena, the more other non-white people who refuse to be classified as such are going to start speaking up to make you look like an utter fool.

This is a class issue, a race issue, a gender issue.

This middle-class, Samoan female says this is only in your imagination, and only because you keep hammering on this point like there’s no tomorrow. You know what’s interesting about a hammer? It’s actually two tools in one – one to put the nail in, and one to take the nail out. You’re just pissed because other people are able to take that hammer away from you and use it to remove the nails you keep trying to put in. I’m a patient woman, and I’m willing to learn how to use tools for everything they’re intended for .

And I know some of you have a hard time with that concept. I don’t care. You’ve had plenty of time to figure it out. I’m real tired of your inability to understand these things.

Oh, I understand these things perfectly, but I refuse your attempts to maintain this as the overall narrative. No. You have not yet begun to see pushback on your lazy, self-absorbed whining.

Do you hear me, Tempest?

YOUR. NARRATIVE. IS. BROKEN.

And so help me God, people like me are going to break it into irrecoverable pieces.

Now that I’ve gotten that off my chest, I want to add something: I despise the hypocrisy on full display in this post. Here’s a non-white woman who grew up with more privilege than I did complaining about the lack of diversity in the Hugo Award nominations, and trying her best to persuade fellow scifi fans that promoting a more diverse platform in the name of equality should be done by excluding certain people because of their skin color and sex

 

John O’Neill on Black Gate

Black Gate Nominated for a Hugo Award in a Terrible Ballot

However, this isn’t a major accomplishment. As I demonstrated in my comment to Matthew above, it can be done by as few as 200-300 people. There are literally dozens of individuals (and companies) inside the industry who could mobilize that many people with relative ease (and a few, like George R.R. Martin, Stephen King, and Joss Whedon, who could easily mobilize thousands.)

But it has never been done before, because it’s been completely apparent to everyone that such an effort would damage the integrity of the Hugo awards. Worse, it would negate an entire year of Hugo Awards.

But John!, you say. Sure it’s been done before! Look at what Tor and DAW have done. Or that rascal John Scalzi!

Except, John Scalzi never did anything like this. He posted the entire Hugo ballot on his blog some time ago, and invited readers to make a case for their favorites. But he never advocated for a single writer, or slate of writers, as a block vote.

But John!, you say. The Puppies haven’t negated anything. They’ve just put the candidates they believe in on the ballot. They’ll win this year, they’ll sell lots of books, the industry will benefit, and all will be well.

No, it won’t. Because it’s highly likely that all three short fiction categories will go to “No Award” this year. That’s exactly how the Sad Puppy ballot was treated last year, and it’s a virtual certainly that it will happen again this year. Already the backlash is louder and more aggrieved than it was last year.

The Sad Puppies should have known this. Maybe they did know it, and they don’t care. Maybe they just want to wreck the awards. If that’s their plan, they’re doing a pretty good job.

John O’Neill in a comment —

I think what you’ve done sets a dangerous precedent that could spell the end of the awards if it’s not quashed immediately, and I feel strongly enough about that that I would be willing to burn a Hugo Award for Black Gate to send that message.

 

Charles Stross on Antipope

“The Biggest Little SF Publisher you never heard of pulls on the jackboots”

Vox Day writes:

It’s time for the church leaders and the heads of Christian families to start learning from #GamerGate, to start learning from Sad Puppies, and start leading. Start banding together and stop accommodating the secular world in any way. Don’t hire those who hate you. Don’t buy from those who wish to destroy you. Don’t work with those who denigrate your faith, your traditions, your morals, and your God. Don’t tolerate or respect what passes for their morals and values.

Over a period of years, he’s built an international coalition, finding common cause with the European neo-nazi fringe. Now they’ve attempted to turn the Hugo Awards into a battlefield in their (American) culture wars. But this clearly isn’t the end game they have in mind: it’s only a beginning. (The Hugos, by their very nature, are an award anyone can vote in for a small fee: it is interesting to speculate on how deep Vox Day’s pockets are.) But the real burning question is, “what will he attack next?”

 

 John Scalzi on Whatever

“Human Shields, Cabals and Poster Boys” – April 7

Also, let me suggest that when Brad Torgersen (or whomever) went off notifying people of their presence on the slate, he probably did not lead with “Hi, would you like to be part of a slate of nominees whose organizers whine darkly and incessantly about the nefarious conspiracies of the evil social justice warriors to infiltrate all levels of science fiction, and which will also implictly tie you and your work to at least one completely bigoted shitmagnet of a human being?” Rather more likely he played up the “we’re trying to get stuff on the ballot we think is cool that doesn’t usually get on it” angle and downplayed, you know, that other stuff.

And you might think, well, how can you miss that other stuff? The short answer to that is that, as difficult as it might seem, not everyone actually spends a lot of time following the Hugo and the controversies therein. It was, until very recently, kind of an insider sport. So it’s possible to have missed this stuff and/or not fully grasped the implications of it until after the awards came out. Not for me, clearly, and possibly not for you. But it is possible.

It’s difficult to miss them now, of course. But this increases my sympathy for these nominees. The whole reason the Puppies are so transparently covetous of the Hugos is that they are a big deal in a (relatively) small community. So imagine being part of this community, being told that you’ve gotten a Hugo nomination, and then finding out that there’s this metric load of toxicity around it, manufactured by the people who got you the ballot — or at least claim that they did.

 

Matthew Foster on Foster on Film

“The Hugos, Minor Disappointment, and the Sad Puppies” – April 5

As for gaming the Hugo awards, it is surprisingly easy. Like all popularity contests, it doesn’t take much to mess it all up. It only keeps a feeling of legitimacy as long as everyone is very polite and careful, because there’s no rule that says you can’t muck it up. The Hugo nominations come from the attendees of this year’s, last year’s, and next year’s WorldCon convention. That’s not a huge group (and figure many people haven’t bought their memberships to this year’s or next year’s yet). Actual number of ballots comes out not greatly over 2000, and if no one is playing games, the nominations are spread out over a huge number of different stories, books, etc. So, if you can get 200 people to vote along a party line, you’ll win. This is even easier since you don’t have to go to the convention, just sign up for a voting membership, pay $40, and you’re good to go.

Individuals have been making suggestions for nominations for years—as individuals. A writer or editor might suggest the stories they thought were worthy of an award. Individuals would suggest what they liked. Sad Puppies, though, was a political movement. It wasn’t an individual saying what he liked, but a group, bound together, to stop things from winning that didn’t share their politics. And while following the rules, is a dick thing to do. It is like those films that won Oscars after their distributers went over the normally expected promoting, and basically bought the statue. Talk to film fanatics, and those awards will always be tainted.

“Part 2: The Hugos, Minor Disappointment, and the Sad Puppies” – April 5

Sad Puppies leadership had changed. Correia turned it over to Brad Torgersen. Torgersen is a different kind of bird than Correia. He doesn’t burst into bouts of swearing, avoids blatantly racists statements, and his insult tend to avoid simply name-calling (though he did suddenly find the need to call me fat in a conversation that was irrelevant to my weight and that I wasn’t supposed to see, but I’ll just take that as his writer’s need to be descriptive, and I have put on a few pounds over the years). He’s still following the “leftist cliques are out to get us” troupe and he still names the same people Day did as opponents. But he has a lighter touch.

His line is that all the meaning in writing, all these themes and messages, are bad, and that science fiction needs to be fun tales of adventure. It needs to be about manly men (he actually uses that term) performing daring exciting deeds and things ending up happy in the end. That the leftists (social justice warriors) have been putting in all these messages into fiction (which is bad) and then getting those stories given awards (again, through secret insider trading). I tried to explain this view to a friend and she just stared at me. It is hard to imagine any artist objecting to theme. Pretty much every other artist I’ve ever met: filmmakers, painters, sculptors, and other writers, wanted to say something with their art. It’s kind of the point. Otherwise, what you’re making is equivalent to a rollercoaster. It can be fun, for a moment, but that’s about it.

 

Mary Robinette Kowal

“Please stop with the deaththreats and the hate mail” – April 7

I, too, am angry about how things went down with the Hugos, but am also realistic about the fact that much of the work — not all of it — but a lot of it is on there because people are legitimately excited about it. Yes, there are some things from Rabid Puppies that seem to be there purely for shock value.  But others? Sheila Gilbert does damn good work. Jim Butcher is a serious writer.

When I sit down to vote, I am, in fact, going to open every file and start reading it. As soon as it doesn’t work for me, I’m going to shut the document. Now, in two cases, I’ll admit, that means that the author’s name is as far as I’m going to read because I’m familiar with their work and know that it makes me angry. I am not going to vote for it, so why make myself angry for no reason?

Everyone else? Sure. Let’s see if that’s fiction that I might enjoy. I have voted for works before of authors who I have disagreed with politically. Shocking, but true.

 

Doctor Science at Obsidianwings

“Hugo ballot go BOOM” – April 6

  1. My Opinions, Which Are Mine:
  2. Elizabeth Bear, abi sutherland, many commenters at Making Light, and especially Cat (in a comment she cross-posted widely) have persuaded me that slates wreck the process of voting for awards. Slates are useful and often necessary when you’re voting for people who need to work with each other (= politics), but they’re destructive to the process of choosing excellence. Slates narrow the field radically, and let (or force) voters to make their choices other than from their own personal perspective, which is naturally idiosyncratic.

Mieneke van der Salm on A Fantastical Librarian

“2015 Hugo Awards Nomination Thoughts” – April 7

On the Adventures in SciFi Publishing podcast in the interview episode with Larry Correia and Brad Torgerson, Torgerson stated something to the effect that SJWs/the Hugo voting public thought his ‘side’ were having fun wrong. But to me that just smacked of hypocrisy as by his standards I’m having my fun wrong, since I enjoy works that include stuff I find important that clashes with his preferences. So I value diversity, equality, and yes, I’d call myself a feminist. That does not make me an SJW as the Puppies designate everyone who holds these values. And yes, looking at my nominating slate, my nominees reflect my preferences, but I didn’t pick them based on this. I picked them because I very much enjoyed reading them.

There’s lots of authors I love, who have never been nominated for a Hugo, who are very successful commercially, but will probably never be nominated, such as Mercedes Lackey, Robin Hobb, Trudi Canavan, or Jacqueline Carey to name but a few. But there are also a large number of authors I love that fit the “SJW-message fic” the Sad Puppies decry who haven’t made the ballot either (thus far; I still remain hopeful for the future) so I can understand it is frustrating not seeing the things you love on the ballot, but I very much think what happened with the SP/RP slates isn’t the answer.

 

PROSPECTIVE RULES CHANGES

Mike Scott on Dr. Plokta

 “Hugo Puppies”

The problem with the puppy slates is not that they’ve got stuff on the ballot. They’re members of the Worldcon, and they’re entitled to have the stuff they nominated on the ballot, regardless of their decision processes in making their choices. The problem is that they have kept off the ballot some other stuff that most voters would probably prefer to vote for. So what we should be doing is preventing a slate from forcing stuff off the ballot, not from getting stuff on the ballot. The voters can then use their alternative vote preferences to take care of the slate, as happened last year when the slate failed to completely dominate any categories. It seems to me, therefore, that the solution is to have some rule for varying the size of the final list of nominees in each category based on the nominating patterns. Nothing on a slate would be banned or disqualified, but the slate wouldn’t be allowed to dominate any category. We already do this a bit — we increase the number of nominees if there’s a tie for fifth place, and we reduce the number if not enough nominees pass the 5% threshold. I would propose that for each category we take the total number of nominations received in that category, subtract the number of nominations received by the most popular nominee in the category (thus removing the effect of a slate, if there is one, on the numbers), and then the shortlist consists of everything that got at least 10% of the remaining number, but with a minimum of five per category and scrapping the existing 5% rule (which has already been causing problems).

 

Brad Templeton on Brad Ideas

“Hugo Awards suborned, what can or should be done” – April 5

Eliminating the supporting membership, or boosting it

Two contradictory suggestions. If only people who buy the much more expensive “attending” membership can nominate or vote, it becomes very difficult to convince people to just buy memberships to promote an agenda. On the other hand, it’s a matter of debate whether a lot of the SPs were outsiders who came in just to nominate their agenda. The alternate suggestion is to make it very cheap to nominate and vote, so lots more people do it, overwhelming the affect of slates. I seriously doubt that would work.

Variations could include allowing supporting memberships only for recent holders of attending memberships, or those who have not had a worldcon on their continent for several years (and thus could not attend.) One could even count actual attendance based on who picked up badges.

Allowing fewer nominations than slots

Today you can nominate 5 works for 5 positions, allowing a slate sweep. Making it so you get fewer nominations than there are slots makes it much harder to do a slate sweep, though you can still have a slate that pushes some number of non-slate works off the ballot. A sweep is still possible, but requires a group twice the size.

Note that this, or any other change the rules requires 2 years to enact, as all changes must be voted on at one convention, ratified at the next, and come into effect at the next after that.

It’s also been proposed to develop rules to greatly increase the number of slots (particularly if a slate is present) to make sure non-slate works are not pushed off. Unfortunately, a ballot of 10 or 15 entries is not workable, nobody has time to read them all.

Elimination Nomination

Well known cryptographer Ron Rivest has proposed a nomination system where ballots may nominate several entries, but as soon as one of those entries makes the ballot, the ballot is eliminated, and none of its other nominations will go in tallies. (In one variation the nominations may be given preferences, so that we understand the voter’s desire as to which candidate should get a nomination if it is to be only one of them.) This approach resists slates, and any other clustering of nominations, producing much greater diversity in the ballot — possibly to the extreme. (For example, if a large section of nominators strongly favour one particular subgenre, like hard SF, and send in only that, then once the most popular of their group choice gets a nomination, the rest have much reduced chances of getting one.)

Another proposal involves weighted nominations, where nominators can spread a fixed number of points over their nominees. This encourages ballots with just one nominee among those who care.

These systems resist slates, but introduce strategic factors into the nomination process. Generally, the Hugo awards seek a system where “strategy” is not productive. This is why the ranked single-transferable-vote system is used in the actual voting. In the prior system, there are few effective stratagems, except collusion, which is what SP introduced.

This proposal and much discussion can be found in an article by my fellow EFF board member Bruce Schneier on the Making Light blog.

 

 VOTING NO AWARD

NoAward.com

“How to Vote ‘No Award’ in the 2015 Hugo Awards So that Good Triumphs over Evil”

It is the belief of the creators of this web site that the perpetrators of this action have damaged those who would otherwise have been nominated by actual fans of the field, that they have damaged several people on their “slate” who apparently did not realized they were being so used, and that they have shown their disdain for fans and fandom through this process.

It is our intention to help people “reward” them as they so richly deserve. We also recommend that, since they clearly do not care about fans or fandom, convention runners do whatever possible to ensure that the actual perpetrators of this bit of ugliness never have to interact with fans at conventions again.

 

Dara Korra’ti on Crime and the Forces of Evil

“on buying some hugo awards and voting NO AWARD” – April 7

Some fans are considering counter-slates for future years. I cannot state strongly enough: This would be a disaster. And not just because it would insure the Puppies more slate victories. To reply with counter-slates would be to enter what in foreign affairs is called a Red Queen’s Race – a continuing escalation of resource expenditure to less and less effect resulting eventually in structural collapse. (See also: wars of terrorism, current case study: Syria. But I digress.)

Fortunately, there is an alternative. Remember, above, how I mentioned that Mission Earth: Volume 1 finished behind NO AWARD?

If NO AWARD wins, no Hugo in that category is awarded. This has happened before – not since 1976, I think, but it has happened.

NO AWARD short-circuits the Red Queen’s Race. It makes all slate efforts null and void, as long as fans collectively decide not to award any award in slate-controlled categories. It burns most of one year, to save the rest. Compared to the alternative of competing political slates that reduce the value and meaning of the award to absolutely nothing on any axis – other than spite – it’s a dramatically better option.

 

David Gerrold on Facebook

One of my pen names, registered with the Writers Guild of America, is “Noah Ward.”

I have used that pen name on two scripts, so it is an active pseudonym.

Should “no award” win any Hugos in August, I intend to take the trophies home myself.

And no, I am not campaigning.

44 thoughts on “Hugo Slates Inspire Altered States

  1. What all of this proves to me, Mike, is that to a slice of fandom, the Hugos really DO matter. Not only who wins them, but who gets nominated, and how they get nominated, and why they get nominated.

    It’s a damn shame that energy is being used for the less pleasant strains of this narrative. But I sense that the lines continue to harden.

    As Charlie Jane Anders said, its gone from having a political element to BEING about politics. I’d like to find a way to walk that back…or, to move forward to a new and better paradigm.

    Oh, and again, thanks for the roundup.

  2. This one from Dan Wells is pretty good also…

    http://www.fearfulsymmetry.net/?p=2282

    “One of Larry’s first and biggest complaints about the Hugo crowd was the way they ostracized him right from the get-go: he was nominated for a Campbell, came to WorldCon in Reno, and was treated like a pariah because he’s very, very conservative. It’s only gotten worse since then, and a lot of that is his fault for hitting back so viciously, but a lot of it is just straight-up unwarranted, and I didn’t really understand how much until my own Sad Puppies nomination last year. I was on the slate, didn’t take it seriously, and then when I actually ended up on the finals list for novella I was attacked almost instantly. Bloggers who’d never met me or read my work were calling me out as a racist based solely on the fact that Larry like my story. I’ve been going to WorldCons for years, been nominated for multiple Hugos, and even won one the previous year, but all of a sudden I was an outsider, intruding onto sacred space, based not on who I was or what I did but simply on my association with an undesirable element. To be fair, a majority of people reacted more evenly, and I was delighted by how many reviewers described my novella as “much better than expected,” but the attacks were real and they were prevalent. “

  3. I deplore the slate voting that gave the puppies their nominations. And it’s really kind of humorous to see their denial in this. But I’m afraid that we won’t see the final evidence until the nominating statistics are released. (Now where is Sasquan’s Deep Throat who will leak this? Just a joke, mind you.) But I sincerely hope that fandom does not go the No Award route. It will just validate the pups paranoid and covetous opinions of the Hugos. I know that the Silent Majority of fans are really upset and are buying supporting memberships. But we should read all of the nominees and vote as if this hadn’t happened and use the No Award for lack of merit not for revenge. Besides some of the pup’s fan favorites who are on this list (and some are very good) there are other nominees that are also very good. Let’s be bigger than them as hard as that may be.

  4. Alan said: “Let’s be bigger than them as hard as that may be.”

    Let’s be bigger than *us* – bigger than those who sneer at the tastes of other fans, who would “other” some sections of fandom right out of the building, than those of us who would say that the dreams of other sff visionaries are nothing but belches and smoke, because they aren’t the dreams we dream.

    There are buckets and buckets of tar to fling about. We don’t have to demonstrate our own purity so much as we all need to stop, or at least slow down, throwing stuff at other people. Even just for a day. (And now I feel like I’m on the verge of quoting James T Kirk. That’s a bad sign, it is.)

  5. Sorry, but if someone dumps the proverbial turd in the Hugo punch bowl it’s not required that guests drink from it out of a misguided sense of fairness, because the SP slate is transparently NOT representative of the best of the genre. So I hope David Gerrold does take home a few Hugos as “Noah Ward” and sets them on top of his home’s crapper.

  6. What is worse for me that the whole political mess is the explicitly declared taste of the main Puppy organizers like Torgersen and Correia, who consider anything above Kevin J. Anderson level to be too literary and snobbish which has lead to them repeatedly making the ludicrous claim that a popular vote award, which was recently given to the likes of Harry Potter, Redshirts, Among Others, Blackout and where such unknown and elitist TV shows like Dr. Who completely dominate, is too snobbish and pretentious.

    And as a result of that the Puppies slate seems completely lacking in any literary ambition. At least from what I’ve sampled. Straight-forward stories, easy to understand style, clear bad guys and good guys, no moral complexity. Nothing that can ever be deemed pretentious. Basically no diversity in this most important area for me.

    Maybe I am wrong. If someonecan point out the more complex and “literary” picks in the slate, I would be happy to sample them.

  7. David, and you say that because you’ve read what? Exactly. Also note the quote from Dan Wells, and the posting from Fort Living Room. We didn’t drop any turds. We’ve been putting up with them for a long while. We just voted this time.

  8. Dear sir, the proverbial turd I’m talking about is the targeted slate(s) that’s unrepresentative of the field overall, and favors a particular subset of voters who manipulated the Hugo nominees to their selfish advantage. The fact that it succeeded in such an embarrassing way only makes it more clear exactly what it is. It isn’t about any particular author who may have been on said slate(s), but of the slates themselves. If I was Mr. Wells, I’d ask Sasquan’s Hugo administrators to remove my nomination from the Hugo ballot because I would feel I didn’t come by my nomination honestly, thanks to the way in which it was shamelessly foisted on the fannish community.

  9. Remarkable. The Sad Puppies come off as among the reasonable in this round-up. What is up with the complete meltdown at Tor? Are they in financial trouble?

  10. On the one hand, the amount of mud being slung around is getting kind of disgusting.

    On the other hand, I think nomination slates are hurting the hugos this year – no matter what the quality of what was nominated was, having John C. Wright show up three times under Best Novella just strikes me as wrong, and having the Heinlein biography squeezed out similarly so.

    I’m not certain what I’m going to do, but I’m tempted to just type in “No Award” for every single category, Sad Puppies or not. No one’s covered themselves in glory, maybe no one should get an award.

  11. No Award for any nominee that was slated, because their nomination was not come by honestly, whether they were in sympathy with their listing on said slate(s) or not. Those running Sasquan deserve something more than a complete Hugo bust.

  12. To the people who are still taking all of this in, I have one question:

    Which side of this debate is engaged in the very open practicing of promoting a wide variety of writers – regardless of politics, gender, or race – and which side is saying that they would rather vote “No Award” than give a Hugo to any such nominated work *regardless of merit*?

    And then, once you’ve looked at that very honestly, a second question:

    Why?

    I found SP2 amusing when I found out about it. The stories that led up to its inception weren’t even surprising… that ground had already been tread a thousand times. When SP3 came around, I read and chuckled, but I didn’t have the combination of time and interest necessary to read, so I didn’t both voting. Then I saw the backlash that started THREE DAYS before the ballot was released, despite declaring that there’s *no way* they had *ever* had insider information.

    It wasn’t Brad, Larry, Vox, Hoyt, or anyone else on the SP side that got me involved. It was the opposition. It was the mindless, uninformed hatred and vitriol; the promises to vote “No Award;” the blatant false insults; the hypocritical, absurd accusations of “x-ism” as an INSTANTANEOUS REACTION from the people who incessantly trumpet their support for “diversity and tolerance.”

    Well done.

  13. It would be nice if there was a shadow Hugo vote in the autumn with the real deal candidates after nomination data is released and we know who they would have been. Impossible to administer, perhaps, but organizing that would let people put their energy to something more constuctive than mud-slinging.

  14. “Which side of this debate is engaged in the very open practicing of promoting a wide variety of writers – regardless of politics, gender, or race – and which side is saying that they would rather vote “No Award” than give a Hugo to any such nominated work *regardless of merit*?”

    Most of the Puppy nominees have no merit. Wright is an atrocious writer, as is Kratman, many of the other stories nominated on the slate are pedestrian at best, and the Best Related Work category is made up of nothing but bad jokes.

  15. “The Hugo Ceremony is the thrust of Worldcons. ”
    but as Brad Templeton has pointed out, there’s no requirement that there be a ceremony at all. Sasquan could, if they chose, issue ballots soon with a relatively short voting period, announce the results right away, and ship the rocket statues to the winners in any category where there was not No Award, without any ceremony. This would allow them to release the nominating statistics early, leaving potentially plenty of time for someone to organize an alternate award (the “Gernsback Awards”?), possibly in time to be announced at Worldcon.

  16. “Most of the Puppy nominees have no merit. Wright is an atrocious writer, as is Kratman, many of the other stories nominated on the slate are pedestrian at best, and the Best Related Work category is made up of nothing but bad jokes.”

    What works have you read by these individuals? Wright is generally esteemed even by the people who despise him as being (at minimum) a good writer.

    And what of Butcher? Of Kloos? Gannon? Anderson, one of the few names of any ballot in the last 5 years that I recognized immediately?

    Have you ACTUALLY read any of the related works? Can you explain why, exactly, they are “jokes?”

    It appears to me that you have nothing but words of disdain, based not on the merits of the works but on your opinions of the people behind them.

  17. When I said that we should be bigger than them I meant that we shouldn’t return a blatant political tactic to win nominations with another political tactic to punish those who won who didn’t break any rules to win.

  18. I will note for whomever may care: No Award hugos would in fact be one of the many victory conditions available to the sad puppies. Pnh even had his security advisor recommend against a self nuking no award campaign.

  19. Morris, I proposed almost exactly that (down to “Gernsback Awards” and before Brad posted) to Sasquan. The convention declined, and the official stance appears to be staying neutral., i.e. the convention not doing anything special/different with regards to the Hugos. Obviously that’s not what I’d do if I were in utter control of the con, but I respect their decision and can think of several decent reasons to play it that way.

    Now, what’s possible to do at the Business Meeting is another kettle of fish entirely.

  20. I’ve read Caliphate, for what it’s worth.
    It’s truly awful.

    The excerpts I read from some Wright novel are somehow both insipid and pretentious at the same time.

  21. @Alan: It appears I misread you a bit. Thanks for clarifying. I still hold that mutual backing off on the rhetoric would be helpful. (Let’s see how long I manage to remember that I’ve said that. I’m hoping for 24 hours.)

    @Tom Galloway: If *I* had complete control over this year’s World Con, I would announce I would be recording the business meetings, complete with sub-captions, and make the MP3s available for pre-order. (And then put them up on Amazon with a “frequently bought with” link to popcorn.)

  22. I’ve actually read Wright’s nominated book of essays for best Related Work. It’s pretty terrible. He can write well on a sentence level and has a decent sense of humour, but in most of the essays he repeats the same point over and over again and as a result most of them are incredibly bloated. And of course he never misses a chance to veer away from the supposed SFF topic to start preaching about the decline of modern civilization because most people aren’t devout Catholics like him and divorce is legal, how atheism is bad and feminism even worse. But nope, the Puppies slate isn’t political at all. Sure.

  23. “Pnh even had his security advisor recommend against a self nuking no award campaign.”

    Bruce Schneier isn’t Patrick Nielsen Hayden’s “security adviser”, he’s someone who has expertise in voting systems who contributed his thoughts as to how the Hugo nomination process could be modified so as to reduce the impact a nominee slate has on the results. Bruce certainly did not recommend NOT voting “No Award” and strictly focused on voting systems and how they might affect the nomination process.

    More at the link, for anyone who may be interested in what Bruce had to say as well as what was said in the comments:

    http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/016199.html#016199

  24. Probably a good idea to point to that link since not everyone will have noticed it was picked up as part of the Brad Templeton excerpt.

  25. @Petréa Mitchell – right, but youtube? Where is the monetization there? Plus

    Looking for World Con revenue streams to counter the losses when we drop the price of supporting memberships!

  26. keranih: (Recognizing the joke, but…) The WSFS Business Meeting will be recorded officially, as it has been for some years now, with anyone else who wants to record the meeting allowed to do so as well. The recordings will be uploaded to YouTube as soon after the meeting as my time and computer bandwidth allows.

    Recordings of previous Business Meetings are available on the WSFS Constitution Historical Archive page.

  27. Anyone else see Slate’s total hatchet job on John C. Wright? They stated that’s he only published with VD’s press, completely ignoring his rather successful (and long) history with Tor.

    Great reporting.

  28. Voting last year’s Sad Puppies selections below “No Award” was supposed to send a message to the movement, too. How’d that work out?

    You honestly think “No Awarding” *everything* is going to work any better? Or trying to change the rules to keep us badthinkers out of the nominating process, even to the point of having a totally seperate, shadow awards ceremony for all the books the SJWers think *should* have been nominated? (And it’s a safe bet the Heinlein biography, for but one example, wouldn’t be on *that* ballot.)

    Because it’s blatantly obvious from the above excerpts that “inclusiveness” isn’t the goal of the rule-changers; it’s all about putting us proles back in our place.

    But somehow it’s the Sad Puppies who are trying to “blow up the Hugos,” not the spiteful SJWers who want to give all the things to that Noah Ward guy…

    *rolls eyes*

  29. Sad Puppies actually winning Hugos is, and I think always has been, their least important goal. The most important goal? To keep their perceived enemies off the ballot. They’ve done that. No PNH nomination for Best Editor, and when the full Hugo stats come out, I suspect they’ll show Scalzi’s LOCK-IN as one of the runners up.

    I wonder if “Puppies” was a deliberate allusion to “dogs in the manger”, or just coincidental?

    The weird thing about the hate-fest the Puppies show toward Scalzi is that they also say they’re trying to promote books that are fun, popular adventures. That’s pretty much a description of Scalzi’s books. In an alternate world where Baen signed Scalzi up instead of Tor, I suspect they’d praise his awards and nominations, rather than condemn them.

    And finally, if fun and popular sci-fi is supposed to be the top criteria for Hugos, why aren’t any of friggin’ Nora Roberts’ “In Death” books on the ballot?

  30. Gee Bruce, you and all the other anti-SP folks were free to nominate that stuff *as individuals* even without the SP slate. And yet, somehow, you didn’t. There were hundreds of votes that without being lockstep at all could have gotten non-SP stuff onto the ballot. But that didn’t happen. I wonder why….

  31. Wes S.:
    You honestly think “No Awarding” *everything* is going to work any better? Or trying to change the rules to keep us badthinkers out of the nominating process, even to the point of having a totally seperate, shadow awards ceremony for all the books the SJWers think *should* have been nominated? (And it’s a safe bet the Heinlein biography, for but one example, wouldn’t be on *that* ballot.)

    Well, No Awarding would certainly show that slates are not the way to go if you want to get a Hugo. I respect the argument, even though I plan to read the Rabid and Sad Puppy stuff myself before deciding how I’ll vote.

    Changing rules to make it harder for slate voters to sweep whole categories is in everyone’s best interest, is it not? Especially if you believe there’s a secret SJW cabal running things.

    I, for one, would be interested in reading all the works that would be on the ballot were the Puppy candidates taken out of the picture. Why wouldn’t more liberal-minded fans be interested in Heinlein biography? Everything people do and like isn’t dictated by their personal politics.

  32. ” No Awarding would certainly show that slates are not the way to go if you want to get a Hugo”

    Why the assumption that the end game is winning a Hugo?

  33. Bruce – a lot of the reasons why Scalzi is disliked have nothing to to with his books.

    The extent to which opinions of him would change would only rest on to what extent you believe Scalzi’s online persona and actions (and targets) would have changed if he wrote for Baen; writing for Baen isn’t a magic get-out-of-criticism-free card.

  34. ‘Why the assumption that the end game is winning a Hugo?’

    The assumption is that the SP/RP end game will be to declare victory whatever happens, so with that in mind, everyone else has to try to work out what’s best for the Hugos and do that.

  35. Well, what’s best for the Hugos is something like SP– having superfans use their superpowers to curate the blizzard of possibilities so promising folks really can float to the top rather than milk the Hugos for self-advancement, crowding out promising whippersnappers.

  36. I feel sorry for everyone.

    Sorry for the voters who were shut out by the slate; sorry for the nominees, slated or not, who will have a tainted Hugo; sorry for the Puppies of all stripes who felt they needed to do this; and sorry for those who feel, somehow, the need to fix this mess. I’m especially sorry that an award with a long, august history is being dragged through the mud.

    I urge everyone to rank “No Award” on their ballot. First, last*, somewhere in the middle: you decide; vote your conscience. But please rank it. Even in categories where you feel you don’t know enough to vote; vote for what you will based on what you know, then vote No Award.

    * Yes, I know ranking NA last has no effect. Just make it a habit.

  37. But, Craig, the Sad Puppies keep saying how their slate has minorities and liberals and women on it. They keep saying how the books and stories should be judged solely on their merit as books and stories. Are you saying they wouldn’t be able to do that, even if Scalzi were a Baen author? I am shocked. Shocked, I say!

  38. To repeat an administrative note for the benefit of one person in particular who has left a string of comments — until you reply to my e-mail and claim your registration, these comments will not be posted.

  39. ‘Well, what’s best for the Hugos is something like SP– having superfans use their superpowers to curate the blizzard of possibilities so promising folks really can float to the top rather than milk the Hugos for self-advancement, crowding out promising whippersnappers.’

    Genuinely not sure if serious.

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