aka Is All of Time and Space Truly Curred?
Pawing through the roundup we find Juan Tabo, S. Harris, Glenn Hauman, David Mack, John Scalzi, Charles Stross, Nick Mamatas, Jeffro Johnson, Barry Deutsch, Mcjulie McGalliard, Russell Blackford, Lis Carey, Rhiannon Thomas, Rebekah Golden, Chris M. Neill and cryptic others. (Title credit goes to File 770 contributing editors of the day Kate and James H. Burns.)
We begin with dueling parodies of Rachel Swirsky’s frequently debated “If You Were A Dinosaur, My Love.”
Juan Tabo and S. Harris on Vox Popoli
“If You Were an Award, My Love” – June 5
If you were an award, my love, then you would be a Hugo™. You’d be a big one, five feet, ten inches, the same height as human-you and twice the height of Regular Size John Scalzi, You’d be made of brass, and wood and plastic, and difficult to take on an airplane as carry on due to enhanced security precautions. Your eyes wouldn’t exist, because you were a rocket, stupid.
If you were a Hugo®, then I would become Taller, Stronger John Scalzi so that I could spend all my time with you. I’d bring you raw chickens and live goats, if you were into that kind of thing. I’d make my bed right under the trophy case, in the basement where my wife lets me sleep. When I couldn’t sleep, I’d sing you lullabies. If I sang you lullabies, I’d soon notice how you were still a statue. You’d just sit there, because you were still a statue.
By Glenn Hauman and David Mack on Crazy 8 Press
“If You Were A Puppy, My Sweet” – June 5
If you were a puppy, my sweet, you would be a wild one. You’d be big and neutered, just like human-you. You’d bound from place to place, unburdened by any thought of consequences, full of energy and bereft of conscience. Some would delight in your antics, your perverse rejection of dignity. Others would quail from your manic slobbering and call you a nuisance, but you would be excused, because that’s just how puppies behave….
If you were sad and rabid, I would bring you with me to the wide-open rampart, and we would watch the mighty spaceships fly. I’d tell you to look up, and we’d see those ships break our world’s surly bonds to depart for alien shores. We’d wish their crews well as they explored great wonders yet unknown. Then you’d fill the lengthening dusk with your pitiful whimpers as the shiny rockets soared away … without you … never to return.
David Mack on The Analog Blog
“Speaking Truth to Puppies” – June 5
Though our story mimics the style of Ms. Swirsky’s, Glenn and I want to make clear that we intend no disrespect to her or to her story. Our reason for choosing it as our template was the story seems to have become a lightning rod for the ire of Rabid Puppy and Sad Puppy supporters — two of whom today published a far more mean-spirited parody of it on the blog of Theodore Beale, aka Vox Day.
In which @NMamatas makes the compelling claim that the Sad/Rabid Puppies are Marxists with a Soviet flavor: http://t.co/dGhX3MpKUw #Irony
— John Scalzi (@scalzi) June 5, 2015
https://twitter.com/cstross/status/606939179021398017
Nick Mamatas
“Rocket To The Red Planet” – June 5
It’s actually the Puppies who are the Marxists. Their agent of change is a subaltern proletariat—those workaday beer-money fans who have gone unheard and who must be organized by an intellectual caste into a fighting force.
Jeffro Johnson on Jeffro’s Space Gaming Blog
“Withering Criticism for me Compliments of ‘Mark’ from File770” – June 5
Okay, I gotta say. It takes a lot of nerve to go over to File770 and say I’m willing to answer anything they want to ask. It seems crazy. I men, my gut feeling on that was that it would be sort of like attempting to have a rational discussion in the middle of a food fight.
But to be fair to those folks, there are more than a couple of people over there that notice the effort. Like Meredith, for instance:….
Barry Deutsch at Alas, A Blog
“Hugo 2014 Graphic Story Nominees” – June 5
The Graphic Story Nominees are a nearly puppy-free category; four of the five nominees didn’t come from puppies. The five nominated works are (in order of my ranking):
- Sex Criminals Volume 1: One Weird Trick, written by Matt Fraction, art by Chip Zdarsky (Image Comics)
- Ms. Marvel Volume 1: No Normal, written by G. Willow Wilson, illustrated by Adrian Alphona and Jake Wyatt, (Marvel Comics)
- Rat Queens Volume 1: Sass and Sorcery, written by Kurtis J. Weibe, art by Roc Upchurch (Image Comics)
- Saga Volume 3, written by Brian K. Vaughan, illustrated by Fiona Staples (Image Comics)
The remaining nominee, The Zombie Nation by Carter Reid, I’m going to regretfully rank below “no award.”
Although – as you’ll see – I have criticisms of all these works, I also think this is one of the best Hugo lists I’ve seen in this category. All four non-puppy nominees are standout mainstream comics, entertaining and well crafted.
Sex Criminals — liked this WAY more than I thought I would. Reminded me of reading Vertigo in the 90s. #hugoawards
— McJulie, doing no-social-media January, really (@mcjulie) June 6, 2015
Russell Blackford on Metamagician and The Hellfire Club
“Steven Diamond and Kary English stories – Hugo Awards Voting” – June 5
I’ll be quite brief about these. “A Single Samurai” is a fantasy story involving a magical samurai warrior’s attempt to halt the path of a mountain-sized kaiju monster. Leaving aside a couple of small verbal infelicities, it is a well-written, well-crafted piece told in the first person by the samurai, whose character – one marked by honour, tradition, and invincible determination – is conveyed effectively. So vast is the kaiju that the samurai’s efforts appear ineffectual and futile, but read on… All in all, this is a solid short story, if marred by something of a deus ex machina style of ending. By all means give it a try and see what you think.
“Totaled” is a more innovative and sophisticated story, and I think it’s a genuine contender for the award. It’s difficult to describe this one without giving away too much and spoiling the effect. Suffice to say that it’s told – mainly in present tense, and for good reasons – from a very unusual point of view. Kary English was not previously on my radar but appears to be a noteworthy talent.
Lis Carey on Lis Carey’s Library
“The Three Body Problem, by Cixin Liu” – June 5
The Best Novel category is going to be a tough decision this year. I loved The Goblin Emperor I’m currently enjoying the Ancillary Sword audiobook. And now I’ve just finished this amazing novel by Cixin Liu.
Lis Carey on Lis Carey’s Library
“Tea and Jeopardy, Emma Newton (presenter, writer), Peter Newman (presenter, writer)” – June 5
http://teaandjeopardy.geekplanetonline.com/
Another Best Fancast Hugo nominee.
Another sf-focused interview podcast. Emma Newman hosts, with Peter Newman playing Latimer, her butler. In the sample episode included in the Hugo Voters packet, some people may find the introductory segment a bit longer than necessary, and sadly lacking in any hint of what type of program this is, but it is charming. In this episode, she interviews Ramez Naam, one of last year’s Campbell Award nominees, about his fiction, movies, and the portrayal of science and scientists in both print and media fiction. It’s friendly, intelligent, interesting, and engaging. I really enjoyed this, I think more than any of the others so far.
Rhiannon Thomas on Feminist Fiction
“Hugo Nominees 2015: Ancillary Sword by Ann Leckie” – June 5
Ancillary Sword is an excellently crafted and compelling novel. It’s less complex than its award-winning predecessor Ancillary Justice, but it’s also far more accessible, making it arguably a better read over all.
Ancillary Sword has the same conceptual set-up as the first in the series. Our protagonist, Breq, was once the AI of a ship, built by a society without gender, that controlled hundreds of once-human ancillaries and became trapped in one of the ancillary bodies when the rest of the ship was destroyed. Breq dedicated herself to destroying the ruler of the universe in revenge for both her own death and the order that forced her to kill her beloved captain.
As far as unusual protagonists go, she’s pretty high up on the list.
Rebekah Golden
“Review: Ancillary Justice by Ann Leckie” – June 4
The short review of this book is it blew my mind and I loved it. Deep, transformative, and complex.
Marion on Deeds & Words
“The Hugos, 2015, Chapter Six; Novelettes” – June 4
The novelette category was heavily influenced by the splinter group(s). The challenge in this category is similar to the problem I had with the novellas. A couple of these are decent reads, or interesting stories, but are these really the best novelettes published in 2014?
Adult Onset Atheist
“SNARL: The Journeyman: In the Stone House” – June 4
I really wanted to like this story. It had some fun characters engaging in delightful dialog. It even provided some jokes for the reader to enjoy at the expense of the characters. I hope the author had fun writing this, because it read as if he did. Unfortunately this does not have enough story in it to make it a great story, and some of the failed experiments the author try to hold it back from even being a good story. However, I had fun reading this story, and that should count for something; actually it counts for quite a bit, and this story will get five stars (out of ten).
Reading #HugoAwards Single Samurai. Samurai are cool & kaiju almost dragons; but inconsistent tense, and ensouled blade story unclear. 2*
— Chris Neill (@chris_m_neill) June 5, 2015
https://twitter.com/HistoryCarper/status/606859285746851840
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Brian Z :”I strongly disagree with some of Vox Day’s views and tactics. So do Torgersen and Correia.”
Can you explain to me what about VD’s views and tactics Torgersen and Correia disagree with? As Natalie Luhrs pointed out “James May was specifically solicited by Larry Correia for a list of targets when Correia was gathering information for the G*merG*te/Hugo piece in Breitbart.” And Torgersen’s homophobia seems to be all of a piece with Day’s.
I’m trying to think of what actual difference there is between the three, regardless of what ‘rhetoric’ they might employ to try and persuade anyone otherwise.
Did I do ask not for whom the pup trolls? I think I did.
Can you explain to me what about VD’s views and tactics Torgersen and Correia disagree with?
I was going by their April 16 posts “I am not Vox Day” …
I cannot disown what I do not own.
I neither condone nor defend any of his public statements. I did not make them.
Of course I do not like some of the things he has said.
Do you think the existence of Rabid Puppies has somehow made my life easier?
I’m not going to burn anyone in effigy. Stop asking.
I’m not going to condemn anyone by association. Stop asking.
When two assholes collide, I shouldn’t have to take a side, declare one a sainted victim, and the other the devil aggressor. Stop asking me to.
I’ve said all of the above before.
…and “Sad Puppies: we are not Rabid Puppies.”
Anyone who can’t see this, is either a) not examining the details closely enough, or b) using the fallacious guilt-by-association argument to try to “win” this thing. I get it. Vox is kryptonite. Everybody hates him. Many of the people on the SP3 slate hate him, and are profoundly annoyed that Rabid Puppies has turned out to be something of a spoiler in a larger, more principled argument.
Correia is not the only blogger to have tolerated and conversed with James May when he waltzes in. (I’m pretty sure Mike Glyer did it for a while, for example.) So I didn’t interpret what you not-linked to as a resounding endorsement. Torgersen might have some negative views about gays – I don’t know – but even if that is the case that is not the same as endorsing Vox Day either. I think his friend Eric Flint came to his defense, for example.
The Invention of Hugo Sharpei
Voyage of the Hugo-Nots
The Whimpers: Not All Imaginary Cabals Are Imaginary
I like the Hugo-Nots
Brian, those quotes don’t answer the question any more than your earlier wordy set of dodges did. Instead of just reiterating that they claim to disagree with him and want to distance themselves from him, can you explain what about VD’s views and tactics Torgersen and Correia disagree with?
You’ve stated that Torgersen and Correia “strongly disagree with some of Vox Day’s views and tactics.” Which ones? If you’re willing to claim to have that knowledge, surely you can share it.
Brian, you haven’t answered my question. At all. (Neither do the people you quote unattributed or linked, when asked the same question. Interesting, that.)
But you definitely raise some considerable doubts about your honesty and intelligence.
“Correia is not the only blogger to have tolerated and conversed with James May when he waltzes in.”
Did you actually *look* at Natalie’s post? (There’s a screenshot and everything.) Did you not see Correia specifically going out of his way to call up May and solicit his help? That’s not ‘tolerating and conversing’, that’s actively encouraging
“Torgersen might have some negative views about gays – I don’t know”
“I don’t know.”
“I don’t know”
What kind of evidence are you waiting for, exactly?
Kurt, OK, I’ll accept the correction. Please amend my earlier post to read “I strongly disagree with some of Vox Day’s views and tactics. Based on my reading of their posts, I gathered that Correia and Torgersen do as well, though everyone is free to read their words and draw their own conclusions.”
Ann Somerville, Scalzi said the following in his response:
It’s my wish that, in return for accepting his apology, Torgersen might take some time to examine what in his own thinking caused him to offer his attempt at an insult. I’m not asking it as a requirement for accepting the apology; it’s just a hope.
Has he? I don’t know.
@Soon Lee:
Read it? Hell, I was on page 261 of that thread! 😉
Brian Z: “Has he? I don’t know.”
Stop changing the subject. You said you didn’t know Torgersen’s views on gay people. You now know, and should have before, that he considers homosexuality such a horrible thing that to accuse Scalzi of being gay was, finally, too much even for Torgersen to accept.
Absent any positive evidence that he no longer considers homosexuals an abomination, we can fairly assume he still *does*.
Really, this is showing a very unattractive aspect of your conversations here.
Also, I’m not stupid. Stop playing silly obfuscating games to avoid addressing the actual point.
You now ‘gather’ Correia and Torgersen disagree with VD’s views and actions, but still provide no evidence for that inference other than wishful thinking. Are we supposed to find your pious hopes convincing? They are not.
Renegades of Pup
@Brian Z: “I was going by their April 16 posts “I am not Vox Day” …”
Oh, so you fell victim to their rather crude attempts at revisionist history. Keep digging into those archives; (some of) the truth is still there, in plain view. Try Googling “Now let’s talk STRATEGIC Puppies.” and, when you find the MHN post in question, read from that line through to the end of the post. Remember that the author started the Sad Puppies campaign, and look at what he says the SP2 goal was.
If you think this is a person who is amenable to calm reasoning and civil discourse on this subject, I suggest that you do not know the man.
“Brian Z” seems to vary between confidently asserting that everyone agrees on something and denying that he knows or thinks anything. I wish the Puppy trolls would pull their socks up, because this sort of whining dishonesty is Ted-ious in the extreme and can only aBeale to those who think that homophobia, racism, misogyny and crapulescently bad writing slavered over by the self-pitying bigots of Gamergate should be the future of the Hugos and scifi in general.
@Rev Bob
It’s kinda hard to see any meaningful difference between the troll who fell victim to Puppy revisionism 132.0 and the troll who wrote it.
Neither do the people you quote unattributed or linked, when asked the same question.
Ann, I have virtually nothing in common with Brad or Larry politically speaking and have no wish to defend their views. But both Brad and Larry stated reasons they had for not wishing to vehemently denounce Vox Day. You can find their April 16 posts in full by googling the post titles – I didn’t add two urls so as not to offend WordPress. I found reading their full comments to be informative – of course, you may disagree.
You said you didn’t know Torgersen’s views on gay people.
I know Brad made that insinuation about Scalzi during an internet spat, and I was aware that he was called out for doing that very publicly and unequivocally, so I think it might be at least possible that he has since taken Scalzi’s good advice and devoted a little time to introspection. That’s all I meant.
Brian Z: ” I think it might be at least possible that he has since taken Scalzi’s good advice and devoted a little time to introspection.”
It’s also possible I might lose 100 pounds overnight and become a super model.
Others can deal with you. I thought JJ and co were occasionally a tad harsh towards you. Now I can only admire their restraint with your nonsense.
Soon Lee: Have you read this short story about the (ab)use of time travel?
OMG, that is hilarious.
snowcrash: BTW, I find it equally amusing that Brad keeps mentioning how he’s too busy with his deployment, yet seems to be able to show up for these various outrage venues…
Craig: I believe that he said his deployment would be a little later in the year, so he very well may still be waiting for that. Stressful time, waiting. Just fill it as you can.
snowcrash: Yeah, fair enough on that. His time, his prerogative. I’m just not sure if doing the whole “let’s look for something to be outraged about” dance is ideal for *anyone*.
My issue is that Torgersen continually uses the fact that he’s in the reserves and is supposedly being deployed (much as he’s continually trying to use his wife’s racial heritage) as some sort of “get out of jail free” card for all of his bad behavior.
Yeah, dude, we all know you’re in the Army Reserves. We know your wife is black. We got that the first 1,823 times you mentioned those things. Now quit trying to use them as excuses and denials and deflections, and start taking personal responsibility for your own behavior, instead of trying to blame others.
@Brian Z: “Ann, I have virtually nothing in common with Brad or Larry politically speaking and have no wish to defend their views.”
So why, exactly, do you persist in doing so?
SJWs always lie.
The cake is a lie.
[SJWs] are the ones who would force someone to bake a cake for them.
Well this is not a perfect syllogism but at least it hangs together. Also, I seem to recall that it was revealed that the buffet for nominees after the Hugo awards had cake. Cake that SJWs had forced someone to bake? Cake that is a lie? I don’t know. But clearly the thing to do is to keep an have the cake. And also to eat it.
Ann Somerville: You said you didn’t know Torgersen’s views on gay people.
Brian Z.: I know Brad made that insinuation about Scalzi during an internet spat, and I was aware that he was called out for doing that very publicly and unequivocally, so I think it might be at least possible that he has since taken Scalzi’s good advice and devoted a little time to introspection. That’s all I meant.
But see, here is one of your huge problems. It’s one of the reasons people keep calling you out on here (and then you keep whining about how unfair it is that you’re being “attacked” for telling lies and spouting Puppy Talking Points).
You keep stating falsehoods as facts (such as your false claims that Mike Resnick and Jerry Pournelle support the Puppies), and when you are hauled up about it, instead of saying, “You know what, you’re right, I have no basis for making that claim”, you instead say “Well, I assumed that he might be thinking that”, or “It could be that he’s doing this”, or “I figured he might have changed his stance.”
Stop presuming to know what other people are thinking.
If you don’t have a legitimate citation for a claim, then don’t post that claim.
Stop Making Shit Up, and then pretending that that isn’t what you did.
Well I messed up the punchline : But clearly the thing to do is to have the cake. And also to eat it.
@Rev Bob
It’s interesting to note that there’s one big SlushPilePuppy name missing from the list of those with whom the latest iteration of Brian Z has nothing in common. I wonder why that is.
SocialInjusticeWorrier, as you know, JCW is ineffable, so Brian Z doesn’t care to speculate.
@Ann Somerville
Oh I had a rather different name in mind. JCW is a verbose and bigoted bore but he’s only one of the clowns, not a Puppy ringmaster. Think VD/TB/PoxSpray.
Ann Somerville, I didn’t find Brad’s comment about Scalzi acceptable, and I do sincerely hope he has reconsidered.
SIWier, I played only one round of VoxWorld and racked up only a single comment (oh, and a dog pun), so I sincerely doubt I solved the level. However, feel free to continue to call me whatever you want.
JJ on June 7, 2015 at 1:25 am said:
“Soon Lee: Have you read this short story about the (ab)use of time travel?
OMG, that is hilarious.”
Oh yeah, rotflmao!
@Mark “I’ll also add a useful quote from Ken White of Popehat for anyone encountering cries of “libel” and “criminally slanderous”: ”
Hurray, Popehat quotes! I love their Twitter account: anyone who can be accused of being on the payroll of both the Koch brothers *and* George Soros in the same week is okay in my book.
“Did I do ask not for whom the pup trolls? I think I did.”
May I ask that we all dial back comments towards BrianZ just a bit? I understand the feelings of people who think he is not 100% honest about his support of the puppies, but can’t we accept someone who is able to quote Hemingway in puppy-language?
Even without the good quotes, I enjoy having around a rational poster who supports/explains puppy positions. Without Brian, we are left with people like the king of flouncing and the Puppy Without Consonants- and they don’t help improve our understanding or even arguments against puppy-dom.
@Craig R
Could we not refer to human beings as “it“?
@Kurt Busiek
Its got to that point in vol. 1, yeah.
@Brian Z
I don’t think its useful or necessary to put words and thoughts into the Puppies until they seem more acceptable. They have their own words, and it would be better to stick with what they’ve actually said rather than what you hope they meant or hope they’ve thought about.
I’m also not sure why you’re so attached to giving them the benefit of the doubt. It seems like a good way to get disappointed over and over again.
Soon Lee on June 7, 2015 at 12:16 am said:
Rev. Bob at 11:47 pm:
Have you read this short story about the (ab)use of time travel?
Having spent FAR too much time in recent months digging through the back alleys of Wikipedia, I…I….I….cannot stop laughing. Please, please send help!
I’ve decided to just do one big dump today to spare innocent bystanders. Readability sucks.
Jim Henley:
“There certainly are such people. “SJW” started out on progressive blogs as a term to denote those people who co-opt the language and rhetorical techniques of social justice to win status within a progressive community by bullying and driving out their rivals within that community. Winterfox / Requires Hate would be a prime example.”
That is the essense of the SJW. This is some of what we mean when we use the term. For rhetorical purposes it is just a label we put on our enemy.
Thank you for your translation of SJWs to SJW.
SocialInjusticeWorrier:
“It really says everything about the Puppies that their major nominee is a verbose bigot who fantasizes about beating gay people to death, while another of their stars is best known for his apparent belief that the Waffen SS were just nice guys who got caught up in Nazism without really agreeing with it.”
I gladdens me that you consider special K a star. I too think that he did good work with BBDC. Usually his works are basically weapons grade trolling of SJWs while being entertaining and informative for those in his side. I think it would physically hurt for most of you to read his books from start to finish. Which is his goal and the reason why you don’t read them. It’s also the source of all the projection about not reading. You get physically sick from reading blog comments. How are you going to read substantive science fiction? How are you going to write it?
Stand on Zanzibar is a great piece of Science fiction. I only read it recently and it is one of my absolute favorites. Even more recently I learned that the author was on the left. It even won a Hugo, the good kind from the past. That book is something the SJWs could not write or maybe even like. Which is why we have rabid and maybe sad puppies. Most of you would probably be horribly triggered by that absolutely fantastic oath.
SocialInjusticeWorrier:
“I think I understand. SJWs are obscene, and you’ll know them when you see them. It all makes sense now.”
That part of US culture i do not grok. Obscenity is a concept without meaning to me. Would you like to define it?
Nick Mamatas:
“Nothing says cool and revolutionary like a description of the politics of a European backwater in 1905.”
Said the marxist, completeley unaware of what he was saying.
Craig R.:
“I see our envoweled visitor is providing us lots of textual evidence that he is, indeed, apparently a “he” and that “he” apparently is from the western side of the Great Pond.
And there is likely great glee. But, it doesn’t really matter if that person is “he,” “She” or “it,” does it?
The arguments presented are trite and worn.
I just find it puzzling that it deems to think it’s presence here is warranted at all, unless it’s just to be an annoyance, in which case if any true thoughts of originality are posted, they will likely be ignored be because of the prior history.”
I am Swedish as Hampus and some presumably Norwegian verified. Or at least I know Swedish good enough to be a native. Or I hired a native Swede, or, or… Be careful with the conspiracy theories. I am what I say I am.
Of course I am a he I have made no effort to hide that fact. Are you signaling group identity again?
Which arguments are trite and worn? You like to do a lot of screaming about lack of cites but you never seem to provide any yourself.
But you already ignored me and us, Craig. You promising to do it further offers no incentive one way or the other. I not not come here for acceptance. I come here for amusement and to argue. Snark is a decent substitute but I can not sustain myself on it alone, like you do.
Rev. Bob:
“Never mind the evidence that anti-rape education programs – or, as you put it, “tell[ing] the rapist not to rape” – have been empirically shown to reduce the rates of rape. In fact, the curve is similar to anti-smoking and anti-DUI programs’ effects on smoking and drunk driving. (Hint: they work by changing the culture so that the behavior in question is no longer acceptable, going from positive reinforcement to negative, and dissuading people so that legal intervention is no longer as necessary. Most people tend to regard this as a good thing. Saves tax money, y’know.)”
Link me up, bro.
Scott Frazer:
“I suspect that someone has (at some point) pointed out to Mr. Torgersen that using his wife as a shield to deflect against charges of racism and misogyny isn’t really a logical argument?
“I’m not going to personally opine on his views, but plenty of demonstrated misogynists have wives, mothers and sisters that think they are swell people. Plenty of overt racists have a friend who is a person of color. These things are not get-out-of-racism/sexism/misogyny-free cards.”
That would depend on ones definition of the word racism. What is yours?
You are not going to directly say he is a racist, just imply it. That’s nice and not at all cowardly.
Aaron:
“Larry Niven is accepting his selection as SFWA Grandmaster. But the SFWA is somehow biased against giving conservative authors their due. Uh-huh.”
I worry about you, Aaron
“Nothing says cool and revolutionary like a description of the politics of a European backwater in 1905.”
Said the marxist, completeley unaware of what he was saying.
One can’t possibly utilize a political framework for the times based on its predictive and explanatory ability while also acknowledging later practical and theoretical concerns, right?
I guess that’s why every libertarian secretly believes in the labour theory of value, because Adam Smith did…
That definitely was one big dump.
@SIW “muttness.” Nice!
I worry about you, Aaron
That makes me feel better. If someone with as little grasp on reality as you worries about me, then that means I am fine.
@Meredith –
Quite right, I was just being a little snarky in that aeou was being deliberately confusing about preferred gender expression
As the default nongenerative pronoun in English is the masculine, and aeou was identifying (at least part of the time) as female (“Yeah, I’m a sister”) and other times seeming to indicate otherwise (the emphasis on “balls” and the lack thereof is usually a tactic of boys[of whatever age]), “they” signifies plural (not really warranted unless there is a psychosis has him/her in thrall), so I settled on “it”
Sorry. Now, How should we refer to the little snit? Having to use the name all the time makes sentence construction obtrusive.
@Craig R
If in doubt I usually go for a singular “they” – its not elegant but it isn’t dehumanising (which is why “it” is inappropriate outside of discussions about certain Bujold characters), it makes no assumptions, and its a damnsight easier to pronounce an something like “xie”. But in aeou’s case, their latest comment includes this declaration:
So you may feel free to use “he” freely and without a twinge of conscience. I agree that prior to that they were dissembling.
I would like the Geneva conventions to be amended to include the offence of insisting on the use of Microsoft in matters relating to Hugos.
Yes, I have a laptop but I never read books on it. I read books on my iPad for preference, and Kindle if I have to, but I never, ever, read stuff on my laptop.
It’s as if we are living in the Dark Ages; how am I supposed to know how to unzip files, and if so, where to do it, and where to stick it?
My iPad works just fine; I download a book, tell the screen I want to read it in iBook and there it is. I am not a happy camper.
‘That is the essense of the SJW. This is some of what we mean when we use the term. For rhetorical purposes it is just a label we put on our enemy.’
Now relate this to the Hugos. Delineate clearly the SJW conspiracy and the SJW winners who benefited from this conspiracy. Please and thank you.
@Stevie
I downloaded the zip files onto my laptop then emailed/weird gmail larger file thingy transferred the unzipped epubs and pdfs to my iPad.
Meredith
Thank you, that’s very kind.
So, when the screen asks open or save, do I just tell it to save? And then unzip on my laptop to go from there.
I will try doing that…
Meredith –
“He” it is, henceforth.
I loath the use of “they” in the direct singular.
“He” can be making assumptions about gender, or be conforming to “standard” which a lot of people bristle at. “She” as the nongenerative has a lot of other people making assumptions, either about gender or wondering is the writer is just trying to make a political point (well, except that some of the puppies seem to want to recast it as an insult).
And to drag that back to the Obsf: if there are no gender “rules” for assumptions to be made about, as in Ancillary Justice & Ancillary Sword, it doesn’t matter what the nongenerative pronoun used it, so “she” is perfectly useful.
“They”/”their” as an indirect singular I have no problems with. But after {::mumble,mumble::} years speaking and writing English it just grates.
in re the .ZIP files, since She Who Must Be Obeyed is the designated Hugo Voter this time ’round and wanted to read the packet on her iPad, I downloaded them to my machine, un-zipped ’em and threw the results into DropBox. After DropBox synced with her iPad she can read them fine, weather she is connected to the ‘Net or not — the book reader very happily is reading the locally cached copies.
aeou on June 7, 2015 at 7:55 am said:
Perhaps you genuinely misunderstood what I wrote, but I kind of doubt it based on your posting history.
I don’t know the man, I don’t follow him closer than what gets written here, so I’m not going to make any personal judgements about him. I _will,_ however, make judgements about his use of logic.
It’s perfectly possible to have a wife or mother that loves you (and you love back!) and still believe that women shouldn’t have the right to vote, or should be considered chattel property to men.
Torgerson merely having a wife implies absolutely nothing about his beliefs in these areas, though he presents it as if it does. This is a logical failure on his part and anyone who takes him at his word in this way.
Thanks once again for the advice:
Er, I am not sure how to unzip the files. I did think clicking on extract would extract them, but it doesn’t seem to wish to do so…
@Stevie
Is your laptop running windows or mac os?
@aeou: “Link me up, bro.” (concerning anti-rape campaigns)
Certainly. Feel free to dig deeper into the links provided in that piece, but the gist is that a group in Edmonton started a “Don’t Be That Guy” campaign in 2010 and saw rape stats drop by 10%.
Now, 10% certainly isn’t everything – but for one poster campaign, it sure ain’t nothin’. Big changes start with small steps.
So aeou now says there’s a definition for SJW, though not one he could actually provide, so it had to be cited for him. Still, that definition doesn’t actually apply, and he admits that it’s just a rhetorical (by which he means dishonest) label they use for the enemy.
Which he still can’t define, other than through gibberish that boils down to more inapplicable dishonesty.
Got it.