The Leader of the Packet 6/29

aka “These are the times that try dogs’s souls: The summer sheep dog and the sunshine puppy will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.”

The roundup today features Chauncey DeVega, John Ottinger III, Martin Wisse, Lou Antonelli, Paul, Cheryl Morgan, Simon Bucher-Jones, Tom Hanks, Rachel Neumeier, Laura “Tegan” Gjovaag, Scott Seldon, Alexandra Erin and other cryptic denizens of the internet. (Title credit goes out to File 770 contributing editors of the day Will Reichard and Jack Lint.)

Chauncey DeVega on We Are Respectable Negroes

“The Whiteness of Science Fiction: From the Hugo Awards’ ‘Sad Puppies’ to Dylann Roof and Harold Covington” – June 29

….It would seem that there could be an overlap between the “Sad Puppies” racially resentful white folks (and their pathetic black and brown racial Stockholm syndrome allies) and the more formal and open White Right. The Whiteness of science fiction is united in the post civil rights era by White Supremacy gross, ugly, more polite, in some ways unapologetic, dishonestly “colorblind”, and in all of its other toxic ways.

As I shared on the RT network last Friday evening, Dylann Roof and other Right-wing domestic terrorists are weaponized by Fox News and the Right-wing hate media. Part of this training is not limited to explicit and formal political texts. Political lessons are also taught by many types of media such as music, film, art, video games, comic books, and other types of literature.

A quibble: Covington’s work sounds more like speculative fiction than it does “science fiction” (the widely known white supremacist tract The Turner Diaries fits this model as well). Most science fiction is by definition speculative in nature; speculative fiction is not necessarily science fiction. Words and concepts are important; meanings and definitions matter…..

 

John Ottinger III on World Magazine

“Notable Books” – June 29

Spotlight

Controversy erupted when one group of science fiction writers, who felt underrepresented by the awards committee, offered a competing list of nominees for the Hugo Awards. When their list won many of the five slots available in each award category, the science fiction establishment and major media noticed. The list writers—known oddly as the “Sad Puppies”—believe that books promoting politically correct causes and liberal identity politics have dominated the Hugos in recent years. Opponents say the “Puppies” are racist, misogynist, and homophobic conservatives undermining science fiction’s most prestigious award by inventing nonexistent persecution. Members of the World Science Fiction Convention will meet this summer to determine if nomination and voting rules need changing. Any changes would take effect in two years. —J.O.

 

Martin Wisse on Wis[s]e Words

“Fandom is more than just puppies barking” – June 28

This is not what fandom should be like, but unfortunately assholes are everywhere, even in sf fandom. But though they’re currently the loudest and most visible part of fandom, they’re not the whole of it. It’s only human to talk more about outrage than about all the everyday kindnesses that pass unnoticed, which is why British fandom has its Doc Weir award. Most people you meet in fandom, online or real life, are just normal, decent human beings. Which can be hard to remember when all you read about is a small part being incredibly nasty about having to share fandom with people who are not like them and don’t like Nutty Nuggets.

But there’s also the point that much of the sound and fury generated by those Puppies is a reaction to the fact that fandom is changing and getting more welcoming to people who may not just dislike Nutty Nuggets, but don’t like breakfast cereal at all. It’s a backlash against the idea that fandom can improve, grow more diverse, not remain the playground of a bunch of paranoid, spoiled, rightwing brats.

 

Lou Antonelli on This Way To Texas

“Back home” – June 29

A Facebook friend asked me today, “What do you get out of this much con-going? It’s not a financial benefit is it? I’m curious.”

I replied that I do it for self-promotion and networking. I have seen the benefits accumulate over the years of people getting to meet and know you a bit, to know that you’re a real person. I suppose it works for me because I’m very outgoing, and I’m also a much better public speaker than a writer.

I also feel this year I have a special obligation to get out there because of my Hugo nominations. I feel if I’m asking people to consider my virtues as a writer, they have the right to see me and buttonhole me.

 

Paul on BestScienceFictionBooks.com

“What’s Wrong With The Hugos, Part 3” – June 21

So, having first argued that science fiction is now too big for the Hugos, I then went on to argue that the governance of the award is too slow and too prone to complexify rather than simplify. At the end of that post I said that one of the major ways in which this unnecessary complexity shows itself is in the proliferation of categories. This brings us to:

Problem 3: The Award categories are inappropriate

I hold that too many of the award categories are irrelevant, or so poorly shaped that the voters do not know what they are actually voting for. And yet one of the most persistent and pernicious trends over the last few years has been to add further categories, which does nothing to make the whole thing simpler or clearer….

Okay, I’ve been rambling on for too long, but basically it comes down to this: most of the categories of the Hugo Awards are not fit for purpose. They are dependent on knowledge that the voter cannot have, or they make distinctions that are irrelevant to most voters, or they require comparison between items that cannot sensibly be compared. And these problems, or variations of them, extend into just about every one of the 16 categories there currently are in the Hugo Awards. It’s a systemic problem that ties in with the problems of governance and the problems of relevance that I have already highlighted.

I don’t know what the solution is, other than tearing the whole edifice down and rebuilding it from scratch on firmer grounds and on a simpler model. But I don’t think that is going to happen.

 

Simon Bucher-Jones on SBJ’s pantechnicon extravaganza

“A brief history of the Hugo awards – the file 770 compilation [as credited]”

1:  the first award.  1197 AD

The award itself dates back to 1197 and Bishop Hugo de Rainault (brother of the then Sherrif of Nottingham) who it will be remembered offered ‘a mighty prize for the most puissant account of how yon addlepate knave Robin Earle yclept Loksley might best be set about his heels.’ The original silver arrow has now become over time the stylised ‘rocket robin hood’ shape of the current award….

 

 

Rachel Neumeier

“One more note on the pro artist category” – June  29

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Reid’s other covers look rather pulp style, which is not really my thing, but I do like this one.

And at least now I don’t have to think about putting No Award on the ballot. It’s a pity Reid didn’t put some of his works in the Hugo packet so they’d have been easier to find.

 

Laura “Tegan” Gjovaag on Bloggity-Blog-Blog-Blog

“Hugo Listening – Fancast” – June 29

[Reviews all five nominees.]

Of these choices, Tea and Jeopardy is definitely the best. It takes full advantage of the format, uses sound effects to improve the atmosphere and has whimsy that appeals to me. The interview was well-conducted, and the questions were perceptive and enlightening. It’s also short enough to listen to but not so long I start to think, just get on with it already! Next up, despite the length, is Galactic Suburbia, which is information-filled and fun. The trio clearly love what they are talking about and range far and wide on a variety of subjects while still pulling in the audience. I find the length problematic, but the diversity of subjects makes up for it. Adventures in SciFi Publishing is the third place winner, and the last to make the ballot for me. It’s a polished production, but went on just slightly too long on a single subject.

The next best is Dungeon Crawlers Radio, which is average but not great. I do wonder if there is a better example than the one in the sample, but due to the length, I can’t be bothered to listen and find out. At the bottom is the Sci Phi Show, which really didn’t take advantage of the audio format at all. The cheesy laughter sound effect detracted, rather than enhanced. If that was the best available, the podcast doesn’t deserve an award.

 

Scott Seldon on Seldon’s SF Blog

“Interstellar Is Just That” – June 29

…This film most certainly deserves the Hugo award this year. It is what the Hugo is all about. It is, unfortunately, on the Sad Puppies list. I’m quite sure it would have been nominated anyway. In other areas it has received many awards, beating out the other Hugo Nominees. And it is really quite funny that the puppies would nominate this film. They are so against stories with a message and if you don’t get the messages in this film you have to be brain dead. As against the puppy slates as I am, I am forced to concede that this is indeed the best SF film of the year and I must put it first when I vote. I just have to. From the emotional, enjoyment, box office response, and industry award perspectives this film comes out on top among those nominated. If you believe in the spirit of the Hugos, you won’t let the source of a good nominee that deserves to win cloud your judgement. Of course, not all will agree that this is the best offering, but from my perspective, I have no choice…..

 

Alexandra Erin on Blue Author Is About To Write

“The Goblin Emperor: Yes, it’s fantasy, and yes it’s a novel” – June 29

Anyway, in a year when many Hugo works were nominated whose merits are so dubious that even the people who nominated them aren’t discussing their merits, The Goblin Emperor is a novel whose merits have been rather sharply debated. It has been praised highly from a wide number of quarters, but there are some lines of criticism that have cropped up and been repeated even outside the quarters of the Puppy campaigns (though they are found most often and most vociferously within those quarters).

They are:

  • It’s not really fantasy, so much as an alternate history with non-human races because there’s no magic or other speculative element.
  • It’s not really a novel, because there is no plot/no conflict. This criticism is also phrased as “It’s more of a series of anecdotes than anything.”

The standard Puppy nonsense of “SJWS ARE SHOVING MESSAGES DOWN OUR THROATS AND VOTING FOR STORIES FOR AFFIRMATIVE ACTION REASONS” has certainly come up, too, of course, but it’s hardly worth engaging with them.

Now that I have read the book, I really have to wonder: did the people making those two criticisms of it do so? If they did, I don’t think they could have read it carefully. While the vision of elven and goblin societies in The Goblin Emperor are an example of intricate and engrossing worldbuilding, the magic-using classes of society appear to have been lifted straight out of classic D&D; e.g., there are clerics and there are wizards.

 

 

Cheryl Morgan on Cheryl’s Mewsings

“Archipelacon – Day 4” – June 29

Lots of people were talking about wanting to come back to Finnish conventions again. We seem to have created a lot of goodwill for the Helsinki Worldcon bid. I am so proud of my Finnish and Swedish friends right now.

 

 

533 thoughts on “The Leader of the Packet 6/29

  1. Worth noting, by the way, that many squash will volunteer happily if a squash rots in the ground or if you don’t heat compost hot enough. The excitement comes when you get one of your mutant hybrid squakinchini lurking amongst the innocent newcomers, and then you wonder what this odd thing is and you end up picking a cross between a loofah and a baseball bat. Since you frequently get some nice hybrid vigor, it’s good to check. (Also be aware than a couple of trendy new heirloom (new heirloom! Rediscovered heirloom?) cucumbers are actually squash is sheep’s clothing!)

  2. JJ, “you’ll have to kill me.”

    1) a Blacklist is not what he’s defining as a Blacklist, and

    What do you think blacklist means then? You don’t have to lose employment for something to be called a blacklist. You can even be blacklisted for not returning your books to the library. What’s inaccurate about calling what Walter said a call for a blacklist?

    2) if he actually wanted to know what the tweet meant, he’d have contacted DGW instead of beating that dead horse here

    Putting a comment on a blog and answering a Tweet with a Tweet are both equally expressing one’s reaction to something on the internet. I don’t use Twitter. So what’s wrong with my having commented to state my concern about it, since it was linked in the roundup, which is an invitation to discuss it?

  3. Jim

    I’d forgotten that one; this is when you need senior NCOs to diminish the trail of destruction wrought by incompetent officers.

    Many years ago I read Wellingstones Despatches, as well as a lot of the Peninsular diaries; I think you’d enjoy it…

  4. Brian Z.: What do you think blacklist means then?

    This was dealt with in the last thread. If your memory is that poor, go back and read the thread again.

    Brian Z.: Putting a comment on a blog and answering a Tweet with a Tweet are both equally expressing one’s reaction to something on the internet. I don’t use Twitter. So what’s wrong with my having commented to state my concern about it, since it was linked in the roundup, which is an invitation to discuss it?

    That isn’t what you did, you didn’t “make a comment”. You kept asking people here what DGW’s tweet meant, and people here kept telling you to go ask him, and you still kept asking people here what DGW’s tweet meant — until the horse was not only dead, its carcass had already been hauled away to the glue factory.

    Again, if your memory of what you actually said is that poor, go back and read the thread again. Or, more likely, you are well aware of what you actually said, and you’re just lying about it now.

  5. JJ: I think we need another square on the Bingo card entitled “Drama Queen”.

    Laertes: How would you distinguish that from Pay Attention To Meeeeee?

    Point taken. I was just enjoying the mental picture of him wearing a Troll Tiara, inlaid with gemstones made of doggy-doo.

  6. Brian Z @ 8:59: Words Mean What I Say They Mean and That’s Not What I Meant. Ho. Also, hum.

  7. JJ, I’ll keep getting up.

    This was dealt with in the last thread. If your memory is that poor, go back and read the thread again.

    In the last thread it was demonstrated that I used the word the way it is used in everyday English in many different contexts, and someone who claimed I meant this was as important a scandal as Hollywood was putting words in my mouth (which is bad). What else should I be remembering?

    You kept asking people here what DGW’s tweet meant, and people here kept telling you to go ask him, and you still kept asking people here what DGW’s tweet meant

    No. I asked once, and people kept telling me how dishonest I am, so I replied to some of their comments.

    Or, more likely, you are well aware of what you actually said, and you’re just lying about it now.

    I’ve tried to avoid using that kind of language with you, JJ, but I apologize if I haven’t always been completely successful.

  8. I’ve mentioned that I don’t think much of “If You Were a Dinosaur, My Love” as a story. That’s a preamble.

    It only tonight occurred to me to read “The Water That Falls on You From Nowhere.” Holy shitballs! That story is great. Unquestionably award-worthy, but more importantly, accomplished and moving. It will stay with me for quite a long time. I’ll be lastingly grateful to the SJWs at Tor.com for making it available.

  9. Brian Z.: No. I asked once, and people kept telling me how dishonest I am, so I replied to some of their comments.

    No, you asked several times — and this, right here, is Example Numero Uno why people here say you are dishonest.

  10. Jim Henley, what did you like about “The Water That Falls on You From Nowhere”? I had a different assessment, but I’m interested in hearing other viewpoints.

  11. Heh. I’m up by the goats-on-the-roof restaurant in Door County at least annually, sometimes more. Do they have a goat-cam this year?

  12. @Kyra, Jim Henley, and Camestros

    Thank you! I forwarded Samwise Suess to my daughter and some friends.

    Love the reference to Poisonville and District 9.

  13. Brian Z.: JJ, you forgot to answer my other question: what am I misremembering about the meaning of blacklist?

    I haven’t forgotten anything (unlike you, apparently). I’m not going to rehash what everyone else said in that thread. If you can’t remember what they said, then go read their posts again.

  14. @Brian: I liked a ton of stuff about it. It’s funny. (The bit at the beginning about testing the water with a lie about good documentation practice is a nice example.) It immediately won me over with the way Matt discovers that he does, in fact, love Gus as much as Gus loves him. Matt’s relationship with his abusive sister rang true to me, based on way too much family drama I have lived or observed. The little touches of world-building – ambiguity as the torturous feat of tough guys – made me sit up and go, “Ah!”

    My one criticism would be that Gus seems over-idealized. To be fair, we are getting our view of him almost entirely through Matt’s eyes, and Matt is – it is known – hopelessly in love. I say “almost entirely” because Matt’s sister seems to ratify Gus’s awesomeness when she tries to convince her brother that Gus is too good for him. Of course, Michele would consider Skeevo McRentboy too good for Matt too.

  15. JJ, you forgot to answer my other question: what am I misremembering about the meaning of blacklist?

    I pointed out several differences between removing someone from a shortlist and a blacklist.
    Any non-troll person who actually cares about the conversation would then either (a) refute those points or (b) drop use of the word blacklist.
    The disagreement was _not_ about the association Hollywood blacklist blacklist, though in context it is a minor aspect. If that’s what you took from the criticism of your use of the word that suggest either very poor reading comprehension, trolling, or an inability to process counterarguments which causes you only to remember the bits where you can ultimately tell yourself you were right anyway.

  16. Brian

    JJ, you forgot to answer my other question: what am I misremembering about the meaning of blacklist?

    Brian, look up Fallacies of definition

  17. @ Jim Henley

    Unlike you I love ‘Dinosaur,’ but like you I never went and looked up ‘Water.’ Holy shitballs is right. That was beautiful.

  18. @Shambles re: Wheel of Time

    Many people have suggested just skipping the middle books, reading the wiki summaries, and reading the ones that Sanderson wrote. If you like completionism, it’s worth doing.

  19. @Richard Brandt -“Brian “So Are They All, Honorable Men” Z”

    Hey, no fair, I was the first to quote Marc Antony’s speech in these threads! I demand my own opprobrium/credit!

  20. @Peace: “I am starting to wonder if “Why Science is Never Settled” might be the battle cry of science deniers when the scientific evidence against them becomes overwhelming.”

    I’m just going to point to the fourth Saturday item on this page, and then suggest looking at the third person on this page. Tired sighs are completely optional.

    @Happy-Puppy: “I think I, by identifying myself as a Puppy right from the start, have actually been treated by most here in a civil manner. But I never expected to be liked”

    Speaking for myself: I don’t care so much which side of an issue someone is on as I do whether they’re being truthful. I’ll gladly talk to someone who honestly disagrees with me, but I have no respect whatsoever for liars.

    @various: (Brian Z bingo)

    Does anyone else kinda feel like Brian’s desperately trying to play “Trick or Treat” because he knows he’s out of candy?

  21. @Jim Henley: I’d never read it either, until just now. And that is pretty great. I can see why the SIWs flipped their shit–the very thought of a world in which you can’t smugly spit bold-faced lies into the faces of everyone you meet is a nightmare to them. Also, cooties.

    Now I see the target that Thomas Olde Heuvel was shooting for and missed so badly.

  22. Five fantasy Hugos, scattered across space and time, for:

    The Journey to the West (aka Monkey)

    The Tempest

    Lord of the Rings

    A Wrinkle in Time

    And finally, for something reasonably current:

    1Q84 (Murakami, published in English in 2013)

    Which leads me to wonder–has any work in translation ever won a Hugo, so far? A quick look at the records suggests not, but I could easily have missed something. What about other major awards? Murakami did win the World Fantasy Award for Best Novel in 2006 for Kafka on the Shore, which I like almost as much as 1Q84.

  23. @Maximillian
    That is an option. Thanks ! Or maybe a fan-edit that excises all the tunic smoothing, hair tugging, tics – like the hobbit one 😉

    @RevBob
    Yes, I looked on the convention schedule a few days ago and noted those items as well. Tired sigh.

    @Happy-Puppy
    Speaking for myself, I do not dislike you. And while I don’t have an encyclopedic memory I don’t recall people being hostile to you here. There was some back and forth at first but I think you got your sea-legs.

  24. @ Jim Henley

    Honestly, I like them as a duology. Both about unacceptable love (for a scientifically-created dinosaur or for someone of the same sex) that is threatened. One story ends in joy and acceptance, one is a coping mechanism to attempt to come to terms with loss. Both have strange speculative conceits that act as metaphors for the core of the story.

    They both broke my heart in different ways.

  25. @JJ – I think Brian’s question about the blacklist was answered, but not explicitly.

    Brian, I would say that blacklist was not at all the correct word to use, largely because of its connotations. I understand that you feel you managed to find a definition that was close to what you meant, down around 4:, or 5:, but that isn’t what most people mean when we say blacklist. The writer wasn’t saying that these people need to be driven from the field or denied employment, he was just saying that they should not be given awards of high honor. There is a not-insignificant difference.

  26. 1Q84 was problematic for me, but I don’t know if that was the novel itself or the translation – I didn’t like the way the translator handled Japanisms in Murakami’s latest novel (I know very little Japanese, just enough to get the awkwardness) That’s one of the reasons I liked The Three Body Problem: I thought the translator handled the cultural differences well.

  27. @Gabriel F.: I have zero desire to talk you out of your dual affection! 🙂

    “Who we are?
    Dinosaur.”

    NO! The world does not need a mashup of “If You Were a Dinosaur, my Love” and “A Single Samurai”! It just doesn’t! Stop it, Jim! Stop it now!

  28. Rev. Bob: I’m just going to point to the fourth Saturday item on this page, and then suggest looking at the third person on this page. Tired sighs are completely optional

    So, David L. Burkhead is listed by LibertyCon as a “scientist” guest, but his biography very carefully does not mention in what discipline he got his Bachelor’s Degree. Um… in what area is he qualified as a “scientist”?

  29. @Brian Z
    No. I asked once, and people kept telling me how dishonest I am, so I replied to some of their comments.

    Brian Z on June 28, 2015 at 11:10 pm said:
    Which authors does Walters think should be henceforth removed from shortlists? Has he named names? https://file770.com/?p=23428&cpage=1#comment-297927

    Brian Z on June 29, 2015 at 1:45 am said:
    He thinks someone should taken off the Hugo shortlist. “Writers” plural suggests he is describing a category of white supremacist scifi writers, some unspecified number of whom are on the Hugo shortlist and need to be taken off. What do you think he means? https://file770.com/?p=23428&cpage=2#comment-297993

    Brian Z on June 29, 2015 at 8:45 pm said:
    DGW apparently does not mean simply that Vox Day should be taken off the shortlist, since he said writers plural. So who else does he mean? Those who associate with Vox Day? Correct me if I’m wrong, but nobody else on that shortlist has endorsed Vox Day’s controversial statements about race relations. Hence my question: who is he talking about?
    https://file770.com/?p=23428&cpage=12#comment-298758

    Hope that helps.

  30. @Happy-Puppy “I think I, by identifying myself as a Puppy right from the start, have actually been treated by most here in a civil manner. But I never expected to be liked”

    You haven’t been dishonest or (as I remember?) abusive, you’ve just disagreed with people. Thank you! It is good to hear dissenting voices.

    I doubt that I’m going to join the side in the Hugo issue, but if it ever happens, it will be be because of people like you and maybe Steve… The Jim Butcher Fan, and despite people like aeou and Brian.

  31. Jim: “testing the water with a lie” was a fun touch. There were other images/passages that were well written or fun to read.

    My whole review is over on my blog but in my own taste I enjoy magical realist elements that are more subtle and leave you returning to the story in your mind thinking about what they meant. I see why you thought the water was fun, but for me it was a glaring, heavy-handed symbol.

    Re: “over-idealized” I found the characters unconvincing. Some aspects of the gay couple, as you mentioned. I also thought the Chinese family was flat and a bit stereotyped. I just went back to read again the bits about the relationship with the sister and do I see why you found that to be an interesting element. It was certainly a little more unexpected and creatively drawn than the other relationships.

    My objection to it as a “Hugo winner” was not just a few flaws I thought I saw in the craft of the story. We’ve forgiven flaws in craft in Hugo Winners before. But I didn’t see how it contributed much. We’ve seen similar, better, stories about intense family gatherings, about coming out to parents (and Chinese parents), and more interesting (at least to me) magical realist elements. And if it had a science fiction element, it paid lip service to what could have been an interesting concept without thinking about it or developing it at all.

  32. @JJ: “So, David L. Burkhead is listed by LibertyCon as a “scientist” guest, but his biography very carefully does not mention in what discipline he got his Bachelor’s Degree. Um… in what area is he qualified as a “scientist”?”

    From his LC bio: “He is a physicist working in Atomic Force Microscopy and surface science.”

  33. NO! The world does not need a mashup of “If You Were a Dinosaur, my Love” and “A Single Samurai”! It just doesn’t! Stop it, Jim! Stop it now!

    If you were a samurai, my love, I’d teach you where the kaiju walk. I’d lead you to the mountain that crashes across the land and you would climb its side. It would not see you. It has no eyes. It would just walk, crushing everything in its path, shedding the stone and foliage that covered it. You would draw your katana. You would plunge it into the brain of the kaiju and I’d laugh, laugh, laugh.

    Oh dear.

  34. Maximillian: thank you for the reply. You want to define a blacklist as loss of employment or being driven from the field. Since everybody can self-publish now, I’m not sure whether being driven from the field is even possible these days. But that’s fine, and Walter’s tweet wasn’t a call for a blacklist as you have just defined it, and I was referring more specifically to a call for a Hugo award blacklist. Thanks for clarifying your views.

  35. Rev. Bob: From his LC bio: “He is a physicist working in Atomic Force Microscopy and surface science.”

    Well, alrighty then, he is clearly qualified as an *cough* expert *cough* in Climate Change and Global Warming.

  36. Nicholas Whyte, I was thinking specifically of the script for The Wedding Banquet which was written by Ang Lee, Neil Peng and James Schamus. If you click over to my blog you can see some discussion and links to it.

    ETA: to clarify, I was (to my mind generously) not counting Chu’s story as an SF story, since if it was I think it was an awful one.

  37. @Gabriel F.: These are happy tears.

    @Rev. Bob: In my experience, the crank “scientists” usually turn out to be engineers, but physicists do seem prone to the temptation to waltz into other people’s fields and tell them they’re doing it wrong. They’re like the economists of real science.

  38. It would not see you. It has no eyes. It would just walk,

    Gabriel F., even though I know it won’t make you like me, let me just say I really appreciated that.

  39. @ Brian Z

    I don’t dislike you, I just find your repetitive arguments tiresome and don’t care to continue fetching your stick. I’m glad you liked the mashup!

  40. “*snif* nobody likes meeee” is…what? It’s not exactly Pay Attention To Meeeeee. It’s maybe Wounded Innocence? But there’s an element of fishing for hugs that isn’t really a great fit for Wounded Innocence.

    So I offer a new category: Nobody Likes Meeeeeee!

    Updated cards HERE

  41. Gabriel, good call.

    And another new category: I Meant To Do That. To be used when a troll comically overplays his hand, nobody goes for it, and he’s stuck, sputtering, pretending that he meant for his trolling to fail.

  42. @Soon Lee,

    I’m not sure either. That’s a good excuse to re-read the Bones of Thought series.

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