The Twilight Bone 6/10

aka Hound of the Basket Cases

In today’s roundup: Suw Charman-Anderson, John C. Wright, Tom Knighton, Vox Day, Lela E. Buis, R. K. Modena, Jason Cordova, Samuel Edwards, Solarbird, Peter Grant, Dr. Mauser, T.C. McCarthy, Chris Meadows, John ONeill, Annalee Newirtz, Rachel Swirsky, Ferret Steinmetz, Brian Niemeier, Jim Butcher, George R.R. Martin,  Matt Wallace, John Scalzi, Nick Mamatas, Paul Anthony Shortt, Rick Wright, David Gerrold, Quilly Mammoth, Spacefaring Kitten, Lis Carey, Andrew Hickey, Rebekah Golden, Adam-Troy Castro. (Title credit goes to File 770 contributing editors of the day Ryan H and Troutwaxer.)

Suw Charman-Anderson on Strange Attractor

“How Tor failed Social Media 101” – June 10

  1. Take enough time, but not too much or too little

When the shit hits the social media fan, it is important to respond in a timely manner, but it’s even more important to avoid a kneejerk reaction. If an issue needs further inquiry before a full response is issued, then it’s acceptable to publicly acknowledge the complaint and say that it’s being looked into.

It may even be that no response is required – not every complaint is deserving of employer intervention. If an employee has a disagreement with a member of the public on her own Facebook page, it is possible that her apology on said Facebook page is sufficient, and that her employer need not step in at all. One can debate whether that was the case here or not, but it is an option that should have been considered, along with all others.

Doherty’s response reads very much like a kneejerk reaction. it is, to all intents and purposes, a public disciplining of Gallo, which is entirely inappropriate no matter what Gallo did. If you address a complaint, you do not use it as an opportunity to shame your staff. Doherty should have taken more time to think about exactly what was going on and how his post would be read by the broader Tor community.

 

  1. Remember there are three sides to every argument

Any public response to a public complaint is made more complex by the fact that there are three parties involved: You, them, and the audience. In his rush to appease Gallo’s critics, Doherty appears to have forgotten that he might also anger people who agree or sympathise with Gallo, or who do not believe that the complaint against her has merit, or who, after reading his post, believe that the complaint has merit but that his response was inappropriate, etc.

In chastising Gallo online, Doherty has alienated a lot of people, and that in and of itself is a massive failure for Tor that Doherty himself should be disciplined for. You simply do not rush in with a response that inflames the situation, especially when it’s obvious from the beginning that tempers are running high and offence is being easily taken. Indeed, the taking of offence is a key weapon in grievance politics, and Doherty should have both realised there was a major risk that his response as written might make the situation worse rather than better.

 

John C. Wright

“Honor is Satisfied” – June 10

A reader asked what I meant when I said, that as a matter of formality, Irene Gallo’s pro forma and possibly insincere apology for her pro-forma and possibly insincerely insult satisfied my sense of honor.

It is difficult for me to explain something that is second nature to me, which is alien to the modern world at every point. In the military, the soldier is obligated to salute the uniform wore by officers of higher rank, not the man wearing it, and the man wearing it is obligated to behave as the uniform requires. The salute satisfies the formality.

An apology satisfies the demand for apology; if the person proffer it did so with deceptive intent, God Almighty, who sees and knows the hearts of the sinners, will punish the falsehood with penalties nightmarish, vehement, absolute, and infinite, that my heart quails to contemplate them. I cannot burn a disembodied soul in hell forever, and neither can I read minds and hearts. Hence, I am not in a position judge the sincerity of an apology, nor do I have the least desire to do so….

I, for one, will regret the event, since a woman of such superlative skill will be hard to replace, but I am confident that Mr Doherty will not insist on keeping her at her tasks in the face of her own shame and regret.

How could she, in good conscience, design a book cover for authors she has so bitterly, absurdly and erratically libeled, and proffer it to book buyers for whom she equally has shone such scorn and mind-destroying hate? It would be cruel of Mr Doherty to insist on Irene Gallo continuing to labor under such adverse and unhappy conditions.

 

Tom Knighton

“Note to my fellow Sad Puppies: Chill just a bit” – June 10

You see, her job isn’t necessarily secure.  She issued an apology of sorts, probably because she was told to.  A post was made at Tor.com distancing her employer from her comments.  That may look like all there will be, but that’s not necessarily the case.  All of that could just be the initial stages of crisis management that may or may not result in her termination.

And if not, I’m still going to ask folks to pull an Elsa and “Let it go”.  I’m not saying to accept the apology.  I’m not saying to forgive Gallo.  That’s up to each and every individual to decide for themselves.  Instead, I’m saying to just let it go and move on.  Gallo’s opinions have been noted, and those who work with her in the future may wish to ask if there is someone else they could work with instead.  Or not.

Folks, we need to be reasonable here.  Yes, we were grievously insulted.  Even if you blow off the “neo-nazi” comment, what followed was little better.  However, she wasn’t the first to use those terms.  Unfortunately, I suspect she won’t be the last either.

Unlike many others, she apparently got a stern lesson about such things.  We got a post that admits that yes, the Puppies did include women and people of color (I hate that term. Sounds too much like “colored people” for me to be comfortable writing it) as well as Tor authors.  I suspect that Irene Gallo will be much more careful going forward.

 

Vox Day on Vox Popoli

“Peter Grant issues a second warning” – June 10

The Evil Legion of Evil has not yet called for a boycott by the many Tor customers attacked by Ms Gallo. It has, after all, only been two days since the management at Tor Books learned about her attack on them. But the one thing they must understand is that an apology is not enough. We expect a resignation. Sooner or later, Ms Gallo will resign. It’s only a question of how much damage Tor Books, and perhaps more importantly, Macmillan, are willing to take first.

 

Lela E. Buis

“A word about power structures” – June 10

One of the problems with social justice attacks in general, and the recent Sad Puppy/Rabid Puppy challenge specifically, is that the rants are often mis-aimed. This means they cause hard feelings, and of course, set off nasty flame wars.

Social justice endeavors can have different motivations. For one, the writer is inflamed by something s/he sees and is motivated to climb on a soapbox for a cathartic, fist-shaking rant. For another, the writer is affronted by some injustice and sits down to plan out a calculated crusade against the problem. In either of these cases, the SJW may have a closely held belief or value that trips off the attack. S/he is hoping it will make people mad and therefore lead to some discussion

 

R. K. Modena on Shadowdancer Studios

“Nazi is not a term you throw around lightly” – June 10

This is why I prefaced this post with a history of who I am, and a rather summarized description of my experiences. I have faced real racism, real discrimination. I have stood OPENLY in support of the Jews, of Israel, for which I have been stalked by someone on the side of the Antis FOR NEARLY SEVEN YEARS AND RECEIVED THREATS AGAINST MY CHILDREN FOR.

Peter Grant has fought against it.

Brad Torgersen goes to fight ISIS / DAESH – against REAL terrorists, REAL religiously motivated hatred, REAL rape culture, REAL KILLINGS OF GAYS.

You who sling mud at us, who question our honor our integrity, our hardships and experiences are doing so FOR THE PETTY REASON OF AN AWARD FOR FICTION.

With Irene Gallo’s original response to the protests of her words, and her subsequent non-apology, it is clear she is unrepentant in her contempt, in her hatred.

 

Janet on Dear Author

“Wednesday News: Tor v. Irene Gallo, Warner Bros. v Friends fans,…” – June 10

So Irene Gallo, creative director and associate publisher for Tor, made a strongly worded comment about the Sad and Rabid Puppies on her personal Facebook page. Afterward, she clarified that the comment was personal and not said in her capacity as a Tor employee. The Sad/Rabid Puppies got mad and then loud about it. Which resulted in Tor publisher Tom Doherty publicly condemning Gallo and basically apologizing to the Sad and Rabid Puppies. I figure the fact that I agree with Chuck Wendig on this is an indication of how gross this situation really is.

 

Jason Cordova

“Eric Flint and the Sad Puppy” – June 10

I’m glad that Eric [Flint] took Tor editor Irene Gallo to task for calling Sad Puppies neonazis. That’s probably the one and only insult that really, really pisses me off. I can stand being called everything else, but once you go past petty and into full-blown turnip with your insults, then I get angry.

Seriously. Ask around. I’ve kind of teetered between confusion and amusement at all this. Confusion because I’m still trying to figure out how I’m a misogynistic racist whose homophobic tendencies override rhyme and reason. Amusement because the amount of bullshit one would have to peddle to make any of that true could fuel a mission to Mars.

But at this point I don’t think it matters. This is the Internet. People don’t take a step back and think “Holy hell, what the **** am I saying?” very often. More often than not a person will double down and keep flinging poo. I’m guilty of it as much as the next I suppose.

 

Samuel Edwards at On Fairy Stories

“Irene Gallo and Boycotting TOR” – June 10

What saddens me the most is reading John C. Wright’s post about Irene Gallo. John C. Wright, a self-professed Sad Puppy, has worked with Irene Gallo at TOR. John is published by TOR and some of his covers were the result of Irene Gallo’s work. That she would be so quick to ascribe falsehoods to the Sad Puppies (and by extension, John) is befuddling. She referred to works which she had a hand in producing (albeit a cover) as ‘bad to reprehensible’. To me, it sounds like she’s been drinking too much of the SJW koolaid. Not only is John published by TOR, but so are other Puppy nominations such as Kevin J. Anderson. This kind of disrespect towards your employer wouldn’t stand in most other companies.

 

Solarbird on crime and the forces of evil

co-signed, strong letter to follow – June 10

I have raged about this so many times. When I was a software developer, I literally sidetracked my career so that I could spend quite literally another full-time job’s worth of time fighting against groups trying to make me illegal. And by illegal, I mean fucking illegal, as in direct threat to my life and freedom, by design. That was the intent and goal, so it’s not like I had any sort of goddamn options.

When I talk about spending “blood and treasure” on this, the blood comes from the street assaults, the treasure comes, in part, from this. All that lost time and money, fighting off people who not only enjoyed but actively made a living from trying to make my existence illegal.

And just as much, the people trying to make me and people like me at best into sub-citizens and at worst into dead people? They enjoyed their work, and made money at it.

Just like the Puppies enjoy their bullshit. They’re having a great time.

 

Peter Grant on Bayou Renaissance Man

“The Tor imbroglio and the progressive narrative” – June 10

Notice how the commenters cited above [at Tor.com] aren’t addressing the specifics of what Ms. Gallo said – they’re saying that she’s right regardless of those specifics, because of other, often extraneous factors.  “My mind’s made up.  Don’t confuse me with the facts!”  They also freely insult others, regardless of the fact that they would never accept or tolerate the same insults being directed against them.  To call anyone a ‘sub-human piece of filth’, as quoted above, is barbaric . . . yet some of them revel in that sort of thing.  That says far more about them than it does about the person they’re accusing.

Another favorite tactic of such individuals is to ignore the overall thrust of the problem by nit-picking the details to death.  If someone makes an allegation of a pattern of misconduct, they respond by taking every single element of the allegation, separating it from the others and nickel-and-diming it to death, demanding verification, supporting evidence, etc.  They can (and do) spin out the process in such depth and for so long that others lose patience and walk away . . . whereupon they claim victory because the original allegation “has not been proved” (to their satisfaction, anyway).

 

Dr. Mauser on Shoplifting in the Marketplace of Ideas

“The Elements of an Apology” – June 10

Apparently, in this day and age, people have forgotten how to properly apologize for their misdeeds. We now live in an era where Ego and Hubris have reached the point that offense is not an objective thing, but in the eye of the offended, who CLEARLY must be delusional, since we can all do no wrong. Well, others can do wrong, and when they do, they MUST be compelled to make an apology. But since they are subject to this same attitude, they only mouth the words that will get other people off their backs.

This leads to a lot of shitty non-apologies that never accomplish what a public apology is meant to do, which is serve as a form of social correction for doing wrong.

There are four things that an apology should contain….

 

 

Chris Meadows on TeleRead

“Sad Puppies roundup, and the Irene Gallo controversy” – June 10

Personally, I’m rather surprised Tor.com left the comments open on Doherty’s statement at all. Usually whenever Tor.com posts something even remotely likely to be controversial (such as statements from Macmillan chief John Sargent in the agency pricing/anti-trust days), it keeps comments firmly closed. It makes me wonder if it might have been done as a passive act of protest against a mandate coming down from Tor’s parent company Macmillan, or perhaps even their corporate owner Holtzbrinck, that Doherty had to issue such a statement. (It wouldn’t be the first time Tor was subject to corporate interference.) But I could be reading too much into it.

Some Puppy supporters, such as Cedar Sanderson and Amanda Green, feel Gallo’s apology didn’t go far enough. On the other side, Chuck Wendig, Gawker, and The Mary Sue have excoriated Tor and Doherty for capitulating. Kameron Hurley, author of the book Gallo’s post originally concerned, has a few comments as well, and The Daily Dot has a good roundup of some of the social media reactions to the affair.

Regardless, it has certainly given rise to a great deal of sound and fury, signifying…well, not a whole lot. Puppies supporters and opponents have both had ample opportunity to show more of their true colors, each providing more ammunition that the other side can use to say, “See? See what they are?” It hasn’t brought us any closer to universal Hugo harmony. But then, we’re probably never going to have that again, at least not for a good long while.

 

John ONeill on Black Gate

“Internet Explodes Around Irene Gallo” – June 10

If you’ve been following science fiction publishing for the past 48 hours, you may have found yourself asking, “Who the heck is Irene Gallo?”

The talented Ms Gallo is the Creative Director of Tor Books, and the associate publisher of the marvelous Tor.com, where she’s done some exemplary work. On May 11, in response to a question on her personal Facebook page, she wrote a quick and rather clueless assessment of the Sad Puppies/Rabid Puppies movement:…

 

David Gerrold on Facebook – June 10

Apparently, there is no mistake so insignifcant that it does not deserve a call to action by the outrage committee. Torches, pitchforks, tar and feathers. Even the smallest of sins must be punished by an internet pile-on, public shaming, and boycotts of everyone in the same neighborhood.

Is there anybody who has not yet earned their Drama Queen merit badge? I guess not. We keep stirring this can of worms to make sure the sauce gets evenly distributed.

The only winner in this (so far) is a certain lunatic attention-whore who needs to demonstrate how important he is by the size of the uproar he can create. And the rest of us have bought into it.

There was a Star Trek episode, “The Day Of The Dove” — in which the crew of the Enterprise and several Klingon warriors were at each other’s throats until they realized that there was an energy creature aboard, feeding on their hatred. Eventually both sides laughed at it — “We don’t need your help hating each other.”

We can continue to rip apart our community and eventually both sides will claim some kind of exhausted victory over whatever shambles remain. The grudges and feuds will last at least a generation because being right has become more important than being friends or colleagues.

 

https://twitter.com/Annaleen/status/608437763160047616

 

 

 

 

 

Jim Butcher in a comment on Eric Flint’s “In Defense of the Sad Puppies” – June 9

[If the link doesn’t work — http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2015/06/08/in-defense-of-the-sad-puppies/comment-page-2/#comment-2591662 ]

I don’t know if Ms. Gallo’s apology was sincere or insincere.

I don’t know that, because I can’t read her freaking mind.

And neither, presumably, can anyone else.

I work with words professionally. I know exactly how powerful they can be. I am also well aware of their limits–and when it comes to expression complex thoughts in emotionally tense situations over the goddamned internet, the magic of written language has little power.

How can it? It’s missing too much. You can’t read tone of voice, or the expression on a person’s face when they’re making keys click. Pretty much all you get is “clickity click click.”

I’m also an English major. So I’m very aware of how skilled human beings can be at reading all kinds of absolute horse manure into other people’s writing, and then declaring it “subtext” or “internally consistent logic.”

But it isn’t. It’s you, guessing. And your guess is probably prejudiced to one degree or another, most often by projecting things into it that were never meant to be there. Or, put another way:

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/what-the-author-meant.jpg

Maybe Ms. Gallo wrote the apology with a smirk and a cigarette hanging off of one lip while reciting nasty twitter quotes at every individual member of Science Fiction Fandom. Or maybe she was crying and upset and genuinely trying to make amends. Or maybe she was just numb and exhausted. I don’t know.

Neither do you. That’s kind of my point.

But maybe it’s simplest if the curtains were fucking blue, we take her words at face value, and extend a bit of human courtesy and trust to a fellow science fiction nerd. Because she is one, whether that pleases you or not.

Deep breaths here, guys. Her comment was out of line and made a lot of people upset. She apologized to those people.

The curtains were fucking blue.

Can we just get on with life, please?

 

George R.R. Martin on Not A Blog

“Wars, Woes, Work” – June 10

I want to single out the postings of Eric Flint. The latest, at http://www.ericflint.net/index.php/2015/06/09/a-response-to-brad-torgersen/ , is a devastating point-by-point deconstruction and refutation of the latest round of Puppystuff from Brad Torgersen. Flint says what I would have said, if I had the time or the energy, but he says it better than I ever could. ((I will be nominating him for a Hugo too. For Best Fan Writer)). His earlier posts on Puppygate are all worth reading too. He is a voice of reason in a sea of venom.

I will add one point. The emptiness of the Puppy arguments is indicated clearly by how much time they seem to spend in coming up with new insulting terms for those who oppose them. The facts are against them, logic is against them, history is against them, so they go for sneers and mocking names. First it was SJWs. Then CHORFs. The latest is “Puppy-kickers.” Next week, no doubt, they will have something else. Reading all the blogs and comments that Glyer links to from FILE 770 has convinced me that anyone who starts throwing these terms around can pretty much be discounted; you will find no sense in what they say, only sneers and talking points….

Yes, I know that THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER named me “the third most powerful writer in Hollywood” last December. You would be surprised at how little that means. I cannot control what anyone else says or does, or make them stop saying or doing it, be it on the fannish or professional fronts. What I can control is what happens in my books, so I am going to return to that chapter I’ve been writing on THE WINDS OF WINTER now, thank you very much.

 

Matt Wallace

“When We Drive out the Innovators We Are Left Only with the Sad and Rabid” – June 9

I don’t know how you feel about what she wrote about the Puppies and I don’t really give a shit. What is not open for debate is the fact Irene has helped and is helping innovate a major appendage of a major publisher and is one among several pairs of hands shaping a better, more interesting, more diverse future for authors and readers of SFF. That is not only needed, it is necessary. It is absolutely vital. She should be elevated for that, not sacrificed to a small clan of mediocre throwbacks because they can be the most vocal on the fucking internet.

Tor’s position on this, among myriad other ways that position is f’ed up, is one of trading innovation and a wider audience for the utterly narrow; a narrow viewpoint expressed by a narrow demographic of the narrow-minded.

The Puppies keep saying they want change, but what they want is things to go back to the way they were.

That’s what really pisses them off so much.

They want things to stay the same.

They don’t want change.

That excludes folks like Irene Gallo, who are literally changing everything for the better.

And in what creatively-driven industry or form has not changing ever been a good thing?

From a strictly business standpoint, she is worth more than a few hundred anonymous user names in a website comments thread will ever be. Alienating your company’s innovators is simply bad business. From a creative standpoint, her involvement is vital to the future of SFF and SFF publishing.

From a human standpoint, Irene simply deserved better.

Much better.

But my opinions are selfish. I want to be part of the future, not the past. I want to be part of a publisher that innovates and spreads my stories to new corners of the internet AND the world of the real. I want to be part of something new, something exciting, something great.

Irene Gallo is taking me and the rest of the Tor.com authors there, the same way she’s helped so many Tor authors in the past.

I need her.

Treat her the fuck better.

That is all.

 

John Scalzi on Whatever

“A Refresher Course On What I’m Obliged to Write About” – June 10

  1. The Internet doesn’t need me to weigh in on everything. It certainly didn’t in this case — there were more than enough people willing to engage both Irene’s initial comment, and Tor’s letter about it and the aftermath. In the former case, here’s something by Eric Flint; in the latter cases, something by Kameron Hurley and Chuck Wendig. These three are the figurative tip of an iceberg comprised of blog entries, comments, tweets and Facebook posts.

The Internet did not wait for me on this; it doesn’t wait for me on anything. Why are you waiting for me? I mean, thanks, I guess? It’s nice you want to know what I think? But I do hope you recognize the difference between you having an interest in my public thoughts on something — which is great! Thanks! — and thinking I’m obliged to share my thoughts on something in a public manner — which is not great, and which I don’t agree with.

 

Nick Mamatas

“Why Can’t Publishers Make Writers Behave?” – June 10

[This is the closing section of a detailed and informative article.]

Push too far, too hard, too often, and a publisher may just find its headcount is much larger than it believed. And even if not, the publisher still gets to experience the annoyance and hassle of an investigation. If a publisher wants to play the game of “You’ll never eat lunch in this town again!” in public or even in writing, that could lead to the freelancer, do-this-or-you-are-fired email in hand, giving the unemployment-filing trick a whirl.

This is one reason why all those tweets and emails and blog-comment huffing about a publisher doing something or at least saying something about that nasty, awful person whose books they publish are almost never going to get any kind of public hey-there-this-is-evidence response from a publisher.

There are other reasons too—awful people, up to and including criminals and the more blood-soaked breed of politician, write books all the time. There’s a massive tradition of carceral literature in existence. If you’ve attended college, you almost certainly read the writing of some criminals, or even material that was written inside prisons. Don’t think that awful blog posts or sneakity-doo trickery on the Internet will faze many publishers. Think of James Frey, who lied to millions of people, who had to settle a lawsuit because his memoir was wall-to-wall lies, and who was yelled at by Oprah (patron saint of nice people) on her show. Where did he end up? At the head of his own YA fiction sweatshop, and getting movies made from “his” stuff.

Publishing just ain’t about “nice” when it comes to its writers, and that is true in both how it treats writers, and what it can expect from writers.

 

Paul Anthony Shortt

“Tor Books, Inclusiveness Does Not Mean Permitting Prejudice” – June 10

There is an erroneous thought drifting in the wind. This thought tells us that, in order to be truly inclusive, we must not only accept that there are people whose opinions are abhorrent to us, not only allow them to have such thoughts, but also grant them a stage for their thoughts, even if we’re the ones who own the stage. More so, we’re told that it’s our responsibility, as fair, inclusive people, to even sit and listen while these attitudes are shoved in our faces. We’re told me must defend these people from any critic. Not from people trying to stop them, mind, but from people disagreeing with them. When you champion those who would close doors and hoard their power, you are not being inclusive.

When you defend those who rail and abuse minorities from having their opinions challenged, on the grounds of “free speech”, you are not being inclusive. When you shame a woman before the entire world, using your position as a bastion of your industry to reach your audience, just because she had the courage to come out and hold prejudice up for what it is, you are not being inclusive.

Shame on Tom Doherty. He has shown his company as promoting an environment where those who speak up against that which is wrong will be punished.

 

Rick Wright on Mangy Dog

“Morning coffee 2015-06-10 – Jude and Christianized America” – June 10

I went on record (not for the first time) as saying we should not call for Gallo to be fired. Someone disagreed and explained why. I stand by my original position. Just because some teacher or journalist or publisher says something insulting or offensive does not mean we should always want that person to lose her/his job. Disciplined? Sure. Consequences? Probably. But not fired. Not except in the most extreme cases. This is a simple matter of Treat Others As We Would Like Them To Treat Us. If we are sick and tired of conservative or traditional Christians (or whatever) losing their jobs because they express an opinion at odds with the current Zeitgeist then we should not return the disfavor yes?

 

 

David Gerrold on Facebook – June 10

I have begun filling out my Hugo ballot. There were two categories where I voted for individuals who were on the sad puppy slate — because regardless of the slate-mongering, I felt their work was award-worthy. They deserved to be on the ballot.

This is consistent with what I have been saying all along. Read the stories, vote your conscience.

 

Andrew Hickey on Sci-Ence! Justice Leak!

“Hugo Blogging ‘Best’ Fan Writer” – June 10

And so once again I dip into the sewer. The “Best” Fan Writer category in the Hugos is apparently meant to encourage SF fans to write about SF. This year, it seems to be largely made up of people who claim to be professional writers, but who can’t string a sentence together.

 

Spacefaring Kitten on Spacefaring Extradimensional Happy Kittens

“On Time” – June 10

Agenda-setting-wise, they have been very successful, though. Most of the fans who are critical of Sad Puppies (lets call them Happy Kittens for short) have been diverted to waste their precious time and energy on refuting what badly thought out garbage some Rabid or Sad Puppy managed to spit out. Most likely the garbage in question was highly illogical and the Happy Kitten in question had little trouble with demonstrating that.

But the fact is, Happy Kitten energies were wasted on fighting a culture war on a battleground selected by the opposing side when they could instead have been reading, writing, buying, enjoying and celebrating some first rate SFF. The Puppies are opposed to SFF that is diverse or deals with gender or political issues or is technically ambitious. I think there’s a lot that Happy Kittens can do for that sort of SFF, apart from engaging in a debate where nobody is really going to change their views.

 

Rebekah Golden

“2015 Hugo Awards Best Fan Writer: Reviewing A S Green” – June 10

All of [Amanda S.] Green’s post are very well written. Except for the excessive use of acronyms which obviously speak to an in group her writing is very clear.

Only one of the posts she submitted seems to have anything to do with sci-fi/fantasy fandom and that is the one on Star Trek canon. The other two posts have to do with feminism and society in general and maybe conference attendance. Again, I’m looking for someone who is positively enthusiastic about something sci-fi/fantasy related, deep in the details and sharing the love. That is what I am looking for to give someone the label of best fan writer.

 

Lis Carey on Lis Carey’s Library

“Best Professional Artist Hugo Nominees” – June 10

Carter Reid: No. Sorry, no.  I feel no hesitation in saying that Reid’s art is just not very good.

Nick Greenwood: I’m sorry, no, these just do not work for me. No one should take this as a criticism of their taste; in this area, I have none.

Alan Pollack: Very nice work, but they don’t move me much beyond “very nice.”

Julie Dillon: Very lovely work, that I’d like to see more of.

Kirk DouPonce: This is also lovely work, that I’m pretty sure would make me reach for the book. That’s one of the main purposes of commercial art, right? But not the only purpose of professional science fiction and fantasy art. I’ll have to give serious thought to the choice between DouPonce and Dillon.

 

Font Folly

“Hugo Ballot Reviews: Novellete” – June 10

“The Day the World Turned Upside Down,” by Thomas Olde Heuvelt, translated by Lia Belt. This story was a delight! I was sucked into its very surreal premise immediately. Inexplicably, gravity reverses… at least for solid objects—people, cars, grocery bags, you name it—suddenly start falling into the sky. That this happens shortly after the protagonist is dumped by his girlfriend makes you wonder, for a while, whether or not this is all happening in the protagonist’s head, but I was soon so caught up in is quixotic adventure to somehow keep her pet goldfish alive, transport it to her (by clinging to objects fixed to the ground, and so forth), and effect her rescue.

The misadventures that follow, in which (among other things) the narrator rescues a child clinging to a swing set who longs for her mother who fell into the sky, all slowly build to a climax that is sad, poignant, yet completely fitting. It’s that magical sort of ending that you occasionally encounter where it isn’t what you expected, yet once you reach it, it seems inevitable and the only possible way it could end.

I really, really liked this story! And having read it, I was filled with a renewed hope for the rest of the novellas!

 

Adam-Troy Castro

“Your Approved Safe Story” – June 9

Welcome to your approved safe story.

In this safe story, the characters are guaranteed likeable.

They are guaranteed to make all the most admirable decisions.

Nothing bad happens to them.

Nothing bad is done by them.

There is no evil in the world around them.

They are presented with minor obstacles that challenge them in no way.

Everybody respects everybody else.

Everybody deserves respect from everybody else.

Everybody is enlightened.

You will not have to disapprove of anything they do or say.

Your opinions will not be challenged by anything they do or so…..

 


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1,126 thoughts on “The Twilight Bone 6/10

  1. James M: All you have to do is explain why you’re entitled to your definitions. Soon as you do, I promise you’ll get them, and we can have the discussion you crave.

    Just do this one little thing. You’re so close.

  2. Shakespeare is an excellent reference for putting out eyes, though not so much Hamlet. Lear, though, excellent for the eye scream.
    On Amber:

    Not loving the relationship with Lorraine. Let’s call it 70s-style. Maybe it will develop into something a little less domestic violence-y. Slapping a girl on a first date does not bode well. (I’m through chapter two of Guns of Amber) I trust Lance, maybe just because he is Lancelot (who actually isn’t trustworthy, now I think about it) so I now distrust Corwin even more. Was Corwin the evil dictator of Lorraine(the country) as Lance believes? (not actually asking, please no spoilers) It’s interesting.

  3. @Octavia “May I maybe use it for a potential short-story?”

    Sure — but if you do write it, drop a comment at my blog or somesuch so I can read it? 🙂

  4. Kurt, thanks! I’m in need of a good fun film. And I’m trying to decide if I want to go back and see Age of Ultron one…more…time.

  5. James M —

    You think you taught Laertes anything but how pathetic you are? That was some fierce and skeery typing you did; oh what lessons shall we learn from it?

    Try again, you stepped on your dick.

  6. One of the best moments of my trip to Berlin last year was riding in a stretch limo made of Trabbis. It was just a delight.

  7. Ah, AGE OF ULTRON. First Hollywood premiere I ever got invited to. Sat in front of the co-creator of the Vision and Ultron, next to the children of to co-creator of Thor, Iron Man, Cap, the Hulk, Nick Fury and more, and just down the way from Nathan Fillion.

    That was a fun night.

  8. I think I’ve figured out part of the reason behind the Gallo-gate “outrage”: It’s okay for Puppies to call other people “Nazis” because everyone is supposed to understand that that’s just Rhetoric. But calling someone a neo-nazi actually means something.

  9. Wow, Laertes, he sure showed you!

    Something…
    Somewhere…
    Somehow…
    I’m sure he showed you…
    Nah, I got nothing.

  10. Kurt

    Well obviously! The difference between a guy who uses an ax handle, and a guy who uses a tyre iron, to beat someone to death requires two stereotypes to differentiate between them. Otherwise they’d all be heading for one or the other, and tripping over each other…

  11. “Inquiring minds want to know.” Ah, good, another repeated phrase that goes so well with “SJWs always lie.” And again, I recommend replacing the phrase with the greeting of Captain White. It makes much more sense that way.

  12. At least he waddled off and is too much of a coward to come back and perform some more stern words.

    Right, James M?

  13. @Lori Coulson ” And I’m trying to decide if I want to go back and see Age of Ultron one…more…time.”

    That’s what I’ve been trying to decide about Mad Max: Fury Road. I *think* I will settle for dragging many of my friends to the local second-run pizza & beer & couches theatre, but it’s tempting. So tempting.

  14. Morris Keesan:

    Alternative theory: it is all right for them to call people names because they don’t put much value in what they say themselves but it isn’t OK for everybody else because secretly they really, really care what we think because they believe our opinions have some value?

  15. @Camestros — That theory would explain the whole “Hugos are meaningful and we must rescue them!” vs. “Hugos are meaningless, we must burn them down” dichotomy, as well.

  16. My sister and I are deciding between Mad Max, Jurassic World, and Pitch Perfect 2 for this weekend. I think PP2 is ok for DVD and netflix, but the other two would be better in theaters. Then, her boyfriend also wants to see Jurassic world, so she thinks she should wait to see it with him. So, it looks like Mad Max it will be. I’m excited, but thinking about it, I can only remember watching Thunderdome, so I don’t know if I should watch Fury Road.
    Anyway, does anyone who has seen Fury Road think you have to have seen all the others for it to work?

  17. @stellabystarlight “…wants to talk about books… joined to nominate a favorite author and left many things blank. But for next year am doing my homework… need some help on the best place to find things (anthologies? magazines?) I am trying to keep a diary of best things I have come across… Slow Bullets by Alastair Reynolds Usually a huge fan(willing to read his grocery list) but this was a little facile not his best work…”

    A puppy? You actually sound more like ONE OF US, ONE OF US!

    Welcome!

    I agree on needing help finding short fiction- I just don’t have the time to subscribe to a bunch of different magazines and keep up with them all. You’ll find plenty of suggestions here, though. The most recent that I liked was ‘When It Ends, He Catches Her”, but even better was (somebody help me out here) the serial killer short by Elizabeth Bear. Good stuff.

  18. Well, there was one summer where every time we got the chance, my best friend and I went to see Pirates of the Caribbean at least once a week.

    Kurt, that premiere sounds like lots of fun. That crew looks like they’d party very hearty.

    I will admit to entering the contest for the premiere of Outlander’s second season. I don’t think I have a snowball’s chance in Hell of winning, but…can’t win if you don’t play!

  19. This talk of East German cars has me thinking, “Silly Trabbi, Ixk are for idsK!”

  20. @valor “Anyway, does anyone who has seen Fury Road think you have to have seen all the others for it to work?”

    No. All you need to know is “post-apocalyptic” and let the story roll with you. I have not seen a better film at explaining what is going on *without* infodumping.

    It is also one of the few films I’ve ever seen that managed to drown out my Clarion-trained internal critic while it was going on. It’s part of why I keep going back.

    As a teacher of mine once said: “When you’re over the top, go for distance.”

  21. You absolutely don’t have to have seen anything previous to enjoy FURY ROAD. Go thou and drive shiny.

    If you have seen earlier movies, you’ll notice different stuff (maybe), but it’s not at all necessary.

  22. @ Lori Coulson
    What does it take to convince him that the dictionary definition of a word is what we mean when we use it?

    I don’t get it — we’re supposed to have a personal definition for everything? Isn’t that like the Caterpillar’s questions in Alice in Wonderland?

    Totally weird.

    More like Humpty Dumpty.

    ‘And only one for birthday presents, you know. There’s glory for you!

    ‘I don’t know what you mean by “glory”,’ Alice said.

    Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. ‘Of course you don’t — till I tell you. I meant “there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!”‘

    ‘But “glory” doesn’t mean “a nice knock-down argument”,’ Alice objected.

    ‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

    ‘The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’

    ‘The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.’

    Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. ‘They’ve a temper, some of them — particularly verbs: they’re the proudest — adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs — however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That’s what I say!’

    ‘Would you tell me please,’ said Alice, ‘what that means?’

    ‘Now you talk like a reasonable child,’ said Humpty Dumpty, looking very much pleased. ‘I meant by “impenetrability” that we’ve had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you’d mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don’t mean to stop here all the rest of your life.’

    ‘That’s a great deal to make one word mean,’ Alice said in a thoughtful tone.

    ‘When I make a word do a lot of work like that,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘I always pay it extra.’

  23. Valor — I’d say you’re perfectly fine going to see Fury Road with only vague, fragmented memories of previous films — it very much stands on its own, narrative-wise, and as long as you know that it’s post-apocalyptic and everybody welds spikes onto their cars, you’re good.

  24. Or William Tenn’s classic short story, “On Tvenus, Have We Got a Trabbi!”

  25. There’s one or two little Easter eggs if you remember the first films, but nothing major.

  26. Googling the Tenn story gets me to a page for a reading he did on WNYC, with a “Related” article, “Students Win Sci-Fi Writing Award”. But since both of the winning students are native Mandarin speakers, I’m sure that someone thinks they only won because of Affirmative Action.

  27. “This is especially amusing, since Jeffro did not get on the Hugo ballot due to the quality of his writing, period.”

    When you have to resort to an SP argument to make your point Nick, you not exactly winning.

    “Be Less Stupid”

    Keeping the conversation to your level keeps it fun and interesting Nick. Why give that up?

  28. Oh poor James M

    Going through life thinking that his poor reading comprehension and general ignorance are substitutes for social skills. But never mind, let’s see if he can pull of a triple flounce!

  29. When you have to resort to an SP argument to make your point Nick, you not exactly winning.

    The SP argument is that “Affirmative Action” and a “bias” in favor of more “literary” fiction gets people Hugos.

    My argument is pretty clear: he’s on the ballot now because he was on the slate.

    Couldn’t help but notice you abandoned 80 percent of the points you had raised to say “NO U.” I accept your groveling surrender.

  30. Bruce Baugh: The super compact explanation is that I’m coming up on 50 this fall and have had a form of porphyria, a rare auto-immune disorder, since I was 15.

    Wow, that’s a hell of a row to have to hoe. I’m glad that technology has made things a bit easier for you — especially because I benefit from your well-thought-out posts and insight and that without you, File770 would be the less, as well as if a promontory were.

  31. It’s bedtime for valor, I’m afraid. Thank you, everyone, for having pointed me towards Amber.

  32. @ Lori Coulson
    Tomorrowland was fun. First, the young woman and the girl drive the story (Disney!). George Clooney plays his age, and makes a great curmudgeon. Had some real sense of wonder and uncanny valley aspects. Ending has one or two SFF logic holes, but I was able to give it a pass because I liked the people. Siracusa said that it’s more of a Disney movie for the young set, without the many layers that can be gotten out of Pixar movies by an adult, but he did enjoy it. Oh, and it looked really good.

  33. Holy crap at the size of this thread.

    So did James M. decide to be an apologist for Beale’s murderer-apologism after all?

  34. Laertes: So I just finished The First Fifteen Lives of Harry August and how on God’s green Earth was that not on the Hugo ballot for Best Novel?
    I know. I am going to be spitting tacks if the Puppy machinations kept that off the ballot.

    Alain: Anyone read Life after Life by Kate Atkinson?

    I read it before Harry August, and I enjoyed it, but I have to say I didn’t enjoy it nearly as much as the latter. (Atkinson’s sort-of sequel to LAL, A God In Ruins, came out last month.)

    Bruce Baugh: Another multiple-lives story that has the protagonist doing very different things is Ken Grimwood’s Replay.

    Oh, thanks for that recommendation! I looked up the synopsis, and decided that I needed to read it; fortunately, my library has a copy. It will be interesting to compare-and-contrast the three.

  35. @cmm – Stella has good taste. If you like Aaronovitch I think you’ll also like Connolly.

    Connolly’s Twenty Palaces series is… Almost Lovecraft by way of Elmore Leonard. The new one, ‘A Key, An Egg, and An Unfortunate Remark’, is the first urban fantasy I’ve read where the heroine is a pacifist late-middle aged lady. It’s lovely.

  36. Bruce Baugh: There’s also a story, whose name escapes me, that’s part of the rather peculiar novel Dead Lines, by John Skipp and Craig Spector. One of the main characters in that book is an ambitious but unsuccessful writer who commits suicide in the opening chapter. Later, someone moving into the apartment where he died uncovers a box of his stories, and a substantial part of the novel is these stories as she reads them, chronicling his loss of hope in, eventually, everything. (And then we find out that there’s more to the experiences that moved him to write those stories than he lets on, because Skipp and Spector were very good at characters who were deceiving themselves.)

    Kurt Busiek: I like what I’ve read of Skipp & Spector (The Clean Up), so I’ll have hunt up Dead Lines.

    I’m not a huge horror fan, but after your description and looking up the synopsis, it sounded so intriguing — and seeing that it’s available on Kindle for $3.99, I scored a copy for myself.

  37. @Morris

    That’s my theory too. It’s okay if you call somebody (say, a feminist) a Nazi if you’re just name-calling. But calling an extreme right-wing bigot a Neo-nazi is totally out of bounds because it’s too close to the truth.

    I assume James M isn’t going to stick the flounce, so, here, just for you, definitions you could put on a T-shirt:

    Misogyny — acting like a jerk toward women

    Racism — acting like a jerk toward non-white people

    Homophobia — acting like a jerk toward gay and lesbian people

    With the footnote that each type of jerkiness is justified and even flaunted by the practitioner (ie, the jerk) as not merely justified, but an absolute moral imperative, on account of the inherent flaws present in the members of the group targeted for jerkiness.

  38. “But nonsense is perfectly okay here.”

    Of course! After all, we are all mad here.

  39. @Bruce
    The first novel starts like your typical fantasy novel: Princess grows up in seclusion. Knights come to pick her up so that she can be crowned queen. The queen of the neighboring country uses magic to try and kill the princess. And she’s not the only one trying to kill the princess and prevent her from being crowned queen.

    Constantly hints are dropped that this is not your typical fantasy story and that there might be more lurking behind every corner and every twist of the plot.

    In many ways it’s a typical coming-of-age and coming into power story with a young heroine who has her flaws and sometimes makes mistakes (even big ones) and learns from them. I liked Kelsea, the princess/queen and I loved the unusual world-building. The book just drew me in and I couldn’t put it down. I even liked the evil queen/sorceress/scientist, if she even is evil.

    It’s really hard to put into words just what drew me and kept me hooked. The book had some flaws but for a debut novel it was just stunning.

    I definitely can’t wait to see what happens next. And then the long wait for book number three begins. ?

  40. JJ: Much thanks for encouraging words. They really matter sometimes, like now. And I’m going to be really curious what a generally-not-horror-reader makes of Dead Lines. If you hate it, I’m sorry in advance. 🙂 (Also about Replay, and not worried about it being too much horror, since it’s not horror at all.)

  41. @McJulie — I like those as a first go. I had to school someone from, I believe, yesterday’s roundup — the person who blogs at Didact’s Reach — because he claimed, in reference to Vox Mustela: “Where is your evidence that he is xenophobic, a misogynist, or homophobic, given that he is a Zionist, happily married with children, and allows gay commenters on both of his blogs?”

    Ayup. The triumph of tokenism — “But he can’t be sexist or misogynist, he’s married!”

    My jaw hit the floor — I probably shouldn’t have been surprised, but…

  42. Sorry for the delay on these replies, but while I’ve been trying to catch up, you wankers have added 9 more pages of comments.

    Mark: Are there any other examples of sequels from actual family members?

    Joe H.: And I’m blanking on specific examples, but I know there have been instances where a wife takes over her late husband’s series (or vice versa).

    The Star Trek novelizations were a huge saving grace (and formative SF) for me as a child, so many years later it was quite interesting to find this out:

    James Blish was credited as the adapter for the stories for Star Trek 1 through to Star Trek 11, although in Voyages of the Imagination, it is acknowledged that after “Star Trek 7” or “Star Trek 8”, the stories were ghost-written by Blish’s wife, J. A. Lawrence, and her mother; without the knowledge of editor Frederik Pohl.

    Despite this, Judy Lawrence received only a co-credit for “Star Trek 12”, but received sole credit for their collaboration “Mudd’s Angels”.

    .
    Jonathan K. Stephens: Kathleen Bartholemew for her late sister Kage Baker’s Nell Gwynne series. I would also note quite a credible performance and well worth reading.

    Kathleen and Kage are actually, in fact, “sisters of the heart” rather than of blood — though they lived as sisters from a very early age. Apparently Baker’s relations with her “real” siblings were somewhat strained, and there was recently some ugliness from an in-law denouncing Bartholomew as NOT a sister (with its basis, I strongly suspect, in the fact that she, rather than the blood siblings, was the inheritor of all of Baker’s notes, royalties, and copyrights).

  43. I’m clearly no substitute for the mighty James M, but can I jump back in quickly and thank Stevie for his reply 9,000 comments ago that:

    No Court is going to accept that he’s got clean hands in this; he may well have damaged the reputation of Castalia House but it was his own decision to do so.

    This is why I actually sat down and slogged through the Martin van Creveld book VD just edited. It was a terrible book (this is not a criticism of MvC in general – he is a generally important scholar who is on everybody’s shelf at West Point). But neither MvC, nor his editor, are Nazis. Theodore Beale and Markku Koponen of Castalia may not be interested in chances of winning so much as in making what they may consider to be a principled libertarian stand (whether or not we agree with that).

    It remains to be seen whether the “neo-nazi” controversy is going to make a splash in the Finnish press. But there might be widespread interest in the question of when it is acceptable for people who work for Macmillan publisher to call another publisher that, regardless of the extent to which some might accuse VD of bringing it on himself.

    Your lengthy comment earlier was very helpful for me to understand the legal context, so thank you.

  44. Bruce Baugh: Much thanks for encouraging words. They really matter sometimes, like now.

    I suppose it’s too much to hope that you inherited the royal treasury along with the genetics. :-/

  45. Tintinaus: It really disturbed me how Lessa fell into F’lar’s arms at the end of Dragon Flight. He had admitted to himself that he had raped her multiple times after Ramoth’s mating flight. Even despite him being such a stud with all the best moves. URGGH!

    I loved all the Dragonrider books, but I have to say that I was not so young when I first read them that I didn’t find the casually-dropped rape descriptions really disturbing — and was utterly confused as to how that all supposedly worked out with a “happy ending”.

    Certainly some of McCaffrey’s later characterizations of women (and her real-life statements) seemed to confirm that she had some attitudes toward gender and sex that I find problematic.

  46. ULTRAGOTHA: I never knew how much I owed to Ellen Asher until recently, when I discovered she was the editor in chief of the science fiction book club [for 34 years]. So much of my formative reading came from there, including Amber. Thank you so much Ms. Asher.

    When Renovation announced Asher as a GoH, I read her bio and went, “OH!”

    The SFBC was hugely important in introducing me to new authors and works (some which were fantastic, a few which I did not care for at all) back when I was growing up in a small town, knew no one who could refer me to good SFF, the town library had almost no SFF, and the Internet did not yet exist. I am quite sure that she provided this lifeline for many people in similar situations. Asher deserves every accolade she gets — and more.

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