aka Last and First Puppies
The Ultimate Roundup brings you Benjamin Domenech and Robert Tracinski, Samuel John Klein, T.P. Kroger, Vox Day, Doctor Science, Aidan Moher, Brandon Kempner, Martin Wisse, Laura “Tegan” Gjovaag, David Steffen, Lis Carey and Cryptic Others. (Title credit goes to File 770 contributing editors of the day Bruce Baugh and Milt Stevens.)
https://twitter.com/striderhlc/status/618204911155724288
Benjamin Domenech and Robert Tracinski on The Federalist
“Welcome To Culture War 4.0: The Coming Overreach” – July 6
Culture War 4.0
Today we live in the early stages of that triumph, and as a small number of public intellectuals and media commentators predicted, it is a bloody triumph indeed. Culture War 4.0 brings the Counterculture full circle: now they have become the blue-nosed, Puritanical establishment. Once they began to achieve their goals and saw the culture moving their way, they moved from making a plea for tolerance and freedom to demanding persecution of anyone who dissents against the new orthodoxy in even the smallest way.
Whichever side believes it is winning will tend to overreach, pushing too far, too fast, and alienating the public.
In just the past two years, the Counterculture’s neo-Puritanical reign has made things political that were never thought to be: Shirtstorms and Gamergate, Chik-fil-A and Brandon Eich, Indiana and Sad Puppies, and don’t you dare say Caitlyn Jenner isn’t a hero.
History teaches us two clear lessons about the ebb and flow of the Culture War: first, that whichever side believes it is winning will tend to overreach, pushing too far, too fast, and in the process alienating the public. The second is that the American people tend to oppose whoever they see as the aggressor in the Culture Wars—whoever they see as trying to intrusively impose their values on other people and bullying everyone who disagrees.
Samuel John Klein on The ZehnKatzen Times
“The Sad Puppies May Have A Point” – July 6
One of the most juvenile, at least to me, of the Sad Puppies’ plaints about the trend of modern SF (you can fill in speculative fiction or science fiction, as is your wont) is elaborated by this point made by one of the leading opiners of the movement, Brad Torgerson: ….
And then it occurred to me that one of the cornerstones of this insurgency is apparently the right to judge a book by its cover. This is something that I was told never to do, that it was the sign of shallowness and unwarranted prejudice.
But then, I thought, what if there was a point to made here? Maybe I just work too hard at wanting an experience here. I mean, if I, as a consumer, should want to be guided with pretty shiny images, then who am I to complain? They do me a service, after all, in truth-in-labeling (as a liberal, I’m supposed to like that).
So, truth-in-labeling. Okay. We’ll go with that. I hold in my hand a Berkeley 1981 re-release of one of my favorite novels, written by an acknowledged master of the form, one who went on to create iconic works of SF that inform the genre to this day. But, book-by-its-cover now … okay, I see an organically-formed, liquid, almost-melting edifice on a horizon under a hot yellow sky, and that edifice appears to be a building … after all, there’s something that looks like a tiny figure standing in one of the openings (is it a window). On the whole, it looks like something Frank Gehry came up with in a fever dream.
In the sky, an eye orbits. Setting or rising, I can’t tell, but there it is. to the right of the building, a small thing resembling a misconceived volcano seems to launching a weather balloon, or maybe Rover from The Prisoner. It’s all on a purple plain resembling fused glass, with two rocks resembling rocketships in the foreground, and in the extreme foreground it appears that some poor soul has died, being embedded in the fused glass of the plain.
Needless to say, I expected a tripping-balls adventure about a science-fictional acid trip, but what did I actually get? Some lame story about an alternate past where the Japanese and Germans won WWII and divided up America between them.
Oh, by the way, here’s the book:
And, to fit the Sad Puppy profile of undeserving novels, it won the Hugo.
In 1962.
Clearly, this conspiracy has gone on way longer than any of us imaginers could have possibly imagined.
Wake up, sheeple!
https://twitter.com/tpkroger/status/618196972340674560
Vox Day wrote in an e-mail – July 5
One of your commenters said this:
“Like the persecution they are always whining about, it doesn’t exist. Claiming it does only makes them look foolish.”
You could read the FIVE Guardian pieces libeling me. Or the Entertainment Weekly piece, the Boston Globe piece, the NPR report, or the Popular Science piece. Note that none of them ever interviewed me, even though the Guardian guidelines require a subject to be interviewed if they are identified by name.
Note that three of the individuals on the SFWA Board were actually guilty of the charge that I was falsely accused of. I did NOT attack an SFWA member in an official SFWA forum, in fact, I didn’t even LINK to an attack on an SFWA member in an official SFWA forum. (@sfwaauthors is not the official SFWA Twitter feed, and the feed belongs to Twitter anyhow, not SFWA.) Stephen Gould, among 70 other SFWA members, did.
This is why no one on our side gives even the smallest damn about anything the other side says. We know they are all absolutely and utterly full of shit. And we also know that even when we prove something beyond any shadow of a doubt, they will not change their mind in the slightest, but will promptly move the goalposts.
We will never, ever talk to them. There is no point.
https://twitter.com/SpinsterAndCat/status/618206742074261505
bloggingandcapturing
“Nerd Entitlement or: How to stop hating and accept diversity” – July 6
This phenomenon isn’t limited to gaming. Hell the term GamerGate was first coined by the actor Adam Baldwin, a man whose Twitter feed is a smorgasbord of right-wing rambling that would fit right in at a Rick Santorum dinner party. Then there’s this years Hugo Awards, which has managed to be hijacked by a group right-wing authors and their supporters calling themselves ‘The Sad Puppies’, even managing to raise the ire of George R.R. Martin. Whilst they’ve been around for a couple of years with very little effect, their sudden rise in influence has coincided with the emergence of GamerGate. And then there’s the YouTube channels that have jumped on the crazy train. I remember watching Thunderf00t videos to do with astronomy years ago. Imagine my surprise when swathes of his channel is now dedicated to bashing feminists.
It’s become a lightning rod for those who had their niche, a thing that they could call their own. Now that it’s become more inclusive they’re rallying against feminists, “Social Justice Warriors” and those who think that maybe, just maybe, having more equality is a good thing. Because everything in geek culture in the past was aimed at a smaller market to which they belonged, their sense of entitlement is so that they feel that should continue.
Do I think that the likes of Adam Baldwin gives a toss about video games, aside from being paid to occasionally be in them? No. But it helps to further their agenda and people who see themselves as victims get swept up in it.
Is there a solution to this? Can those of us who, through our fandom, hobbies and interests are inextricably linked to these people, do or say anything to turn people away from such hate? I would like to think yes. We need to support those game developers, film makers and creative types who are helping to diversify geek culture. It’s important to not be afraid to provide constructive criticism when they drop the ball from time to time.
It’s my hope that, given time, opportunists like Baldwin, the misogynists GameGate, the Sad Puppies and countless YouTubers will become increasingly marginalised. With the widespread critical acclaim of the likes of Mad Max: Fury Road and Her Story and the increasing condemnation of shows like Game of Thrones for its treatment of women, I’d like to think that perception is starting to change. Sadly, I feel that for the time being those that shout the loudest will continue to impinge on geek culture.
Doctor Science on Obsidian Wings
“Hugo voting: how, why, for what” – July 6
This is a guide intended for fans from the transformative works/Tumblr ends of fandom who are voting for the Hugo Awards for the first time.
There are two basic principles for Hugo voting:
- You do not have to vote in every category
- When you *do* vote in a category, you have to at least look at all the legitimate nominees. You don’t have to finish them, but you’re honor-bound to at least try…..
Aidan Moher on A Dribble of Ink
Aidan Moher: Well, I wear my Hugo Award on a platinum chain around my neck — Flavor Flav-style — so, that tells you all you need to know about my perspective on awards. If you got ‘em, flaunt ‘em. Life’s too short for humility.
Brandon Kempner on Chaos Horizon
“Inside the Locus Results” – July 6
My copy of Locus Magazine arrived today, and with it some interesting insights on how the Hugo nominees did in those awards. While not a perfect match to the Hugos, the Locus are the closest thing going: a popular vote by SFF “insiders” to determine the best novel of the year…..
You’ll notice that the Top 2 from the SF and the Top 1 from F make up 3/5 of the Hugo Best Novel ballot. Neither the Jim Butcher nor the Kevin J. Anderson made the Top 28 SF novels or the Top 21 fantasy novels. If you were going by Locus vote counts alone, VanderMeer and Gibson would have been next in line for nominations. Since Hugo voters have ignored Gibson since 1994 (seriously, no nominations since 1994), the 5th spot would have been a toss up between Scalzi and Bennett. Given Scalzi’s past Hugo performance, you might lean in that direction, although we’ll find out when the full nomination stats are released.
Martin Wisse on Wis[s]e Words
“Best Novel Hugo vote 2015” – July 6
I don’t have to tell you I won’t be voting for any Puppy candidates, right, so the question becomes which of the three non-Puppy candidates will get my vote. Even diminished, this is a great shortlist:
The Goblin Emperor — Katherine Addison.
The Goblin Emperor at heart is a very traditional power fantasy, about the boy of humble origins who becomes emperor by happenstance and now has to very quickly learn how to survive in a world of political intrigue he’s completely unprepared for, filled with people who either want to manipulate him or replace him with a better figurehead. It’s one of those fantasy scenarios other writers can write multiple trilogies about to get to that point, but Katherine Addison has her goblin hero confirmed as the emperor within five pages, the rest of the novel being about him getting to grips with his new job, woefully inadequate though he feels.
Martin Wisse on Wis[s]e Words
“The Three-Body Problem — Cixin Liu” – July 6
If it hadn’t been for Marko Kloos doing the honourable thing and withdrawing his nomination, The Three-Body Problem wouldn’t be on the ballot for this year’s Best Novel Hugo. And that would’ve been a shame, since The Three-Body Problem is the first translated novel to make the shortlist. The start of a trilogy, it originally came out in China in serialisation in 2006, with the novel version coming out in 2008. The English translation was done by Ken Liu, who has won a Hugo Award himself. The sequels will come out this year and next.
Laura “Tegan” Gjovaag on Bloggity-Blog-Blog-Blog
“Hugo Reading – Related Work” – July 6
[Comments on all five nominees]
This entire category seems like a race to the bottom. “Wisdom” is clearly meant as an insult to anyone who actually cares about the Hugos, and none of the rest are award-worthy, though some are ok or even almost good. I feel like the time I spent reading this category was completely wasted. The only thing to do with this one is vote “No Award” and leave everything off the ballot.
David Steffen on Diabolical Plots
“Hugo Short Story Review: ‘A Single Samurai’ by Steven Diamond” – July 6
“A Single Samurai” by Steven Diamond was first published in The Baen Big Book of Monsters published by Baen Books.
In this story a mountain-sized kaiju has arisen in Japan, rising from beneath the land itself where the landscape had built up around it. The monster is moving across the countryside, crushing everything in its path. A samurai has survived its uprising where so many others haven’t by riding the kaiju as it rose up and climbing up its back even as the soil and trees and rocks shift off the kaiju as it walks. To save Japan he has to finish his climb and find some way to kill the monster.
Familiar Diversions
“Ancillary Justice by Ann Leckie” – July 6
Ancillary Justice has been on my TBR for a while, because books with prominent AI characters that aren’t evil are my catnip. Then the whole thing with the Sad Puppies and the Hugo Awards blew up. Ancillary Justice was one of two works that kept coming up again and again as one of the works most hated by the Sad Puppies, so I suppose I should thank them for reminding me I hadn’t read it yet…..
Lis Carey on Lis Carey’s Library
Groundhog Day meets every high-tech war movie you’ve seen. And, really, too violent for my tastes; I don’t do war movies. My nerves don’t handle the sound and images well. But this, honestly, is very good.
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Camestros Felapton on July 14, 2015 at 2:27 pm said:
and this was another thing which bothered me about the movie, because the book was not at all a children’s book, but producers and market forces said that an animated movie about animals must be a “children’s movie” (and of course, children’s animated movies must have songs).
RedWombat: You’re welcome. That is exactly the sort of fic I point to as my ideal fic: capturing the spirit and much of the voice of the original but opening a wider perspective on the world. And what I would write if A: I wrote much fanfic at all instead of having a fanfic oeuvre of 2 works, period, and B: if I had the slightest bit of talent at imitating the style of other writers. (I admire “X in the style of y” games not least because I don’t feel I can participate)
(and yet I still read way more slash fic and silliness… I blame astolat.)
To whom it may concern:
Dumb question, but if it’s been explained, it was either long ago or in a thread that hit 1000+ within 24 hours.
What does FUD stand for?
FUD = Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt
A debating/marketing technique
@Lenora Rose: Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.
@Hampus: I expect to see Nosferatu’s grave robbery appear in a Tim Powers novel within the next decade.
It’s not a children’s book but I’m pretty sure I read it at age 9, and this didn”t seem *that* unusual an age. I followed it well enough; there’s no child-inappropriate action and the themes that go over a kid’s head appear slowly on rereads rather than showing up as “those boring parts” all along.
So I can see how the animators might have thought it a kids’ story.
Oh, ghods, the stupidity…it is obvious that Brian Z was not paying attention in Civics class:
Like how scholars go to the Library of Congress to study the secret ballots that were cast in all the past US elections? You think administrators of elections should preserve secret ballots for future study?
Elections in the United States are run by each individual State. The ballots of every election are kept in case of a legal challenge.* So, NO, the Library of Congress is not going to have them. Said scholar would have to inquire of each State to be granted access to those records.
The ONLY election that the US government would have records of would be that done by the Electoral College in Presidential elections, and those proceedings are not done by secret ballot and are part of the body’s public record. For that matter, everything the Congress does is preserved in the Congressional record.
I am quite sure that some Worldcon Committees will have kept their Hugo ballots. I can tell you that the OVFF archivist, Kathy Hamilton, has the ballots for all the years that the con has given the Pegasus awards.
*Some States may only keep these records for a few years, this requirement will vary from state to state.
Lori, I know that 1972 and 1984 preserved the final ballots. I don’t know what may have happened to the 1972 nominating forms.
‘Watership Down’ – the author actually worked with an expert on rabbits.
Lori, there is also the fact that in every election I’ve ever voted in, the “voter validation” process is performed right there in the polling place before the voter hands in a ballot; it’s the ballots themselves that are anonymous when counted. Voter rolls are a matter of public record; how each voter actually marked his or her ballot is not–but the vote totals in each state/precinct are public. The nominating process for national elections tends to be pretty open, too: at least, I had a pretty good idea of who was voting for what, just from watching the conventions on television. (Procedures for statewide nominating elections–including primaries–tend to vary from state to state, of course. But the data–the number of ballots cast for each candidate in each precinct–also seems to be easily available for any scholar who wants it. And states with closed primaries have even more data available.)
In other words, not a good analogy, Brian Z. The scale for Hugo nominating and voting just isn’t parallel.
@Mary Frances: “In other words, not a good analogy, Brian Z.”
I think we all need a keyboard macro for that.
On another note, I expect to see the robbery of the grave of the director of Nosferatu appear in a Tim Powers novel within the next decade. Nosferatu was presumably not buried with him.
Someone may have stolen my head.
@Stoic, andyl:
I know that one Baen author uses (or, at least, has used) dictation software, due to having been in an accident. His hands just don’t type as well as they used to; I believe it gets painful for him.
Stoic, andylo, Rev. Bob: I understand that Cherryh uses Dragon Naturally Speaking, as well as a keyboard. It still needs to be proofread, though, before sending it in.
Terry Pratchett used dictation software in his latter years too.
Nothing wrong with it, but somewhere along the way all manuscripts need to be got to publication-ready state; it’s really obvious when that part is done poorly or not at all.
IIRC Charles Stross used dictation software for dialogue as an experiment, but not for the rest of the text as he’d already concluded he couldn’t produce prose using it. I imagine it depends on the individual writer.
I can see that just because using dictation software would require you to speak the dialogue out loud, and in theory would encourage more realistic dialogue as a result.
Then again, I deliberately stayed up 32 hours once before writing a story section that was supposed to be a dream sequence…
RE: homophones and dictation/speech-to-text software
Word-processing software spell-checkers, when run by someone with poor spelling skills who is unable to select the correct words when an error is flagged, will have the same effect as well. (Hence: pouring/poring, site/cite, baited/bated, waste/waist, etc.)
Jenora Feuer: I’m having a Schlock Mercenary flashback. Then again, Schlock Mercenary only really did that once, and threw a little humour into the mix.
I’m pretty sure that particular strip is a very deliberate riff on David Weber’s writing.
It has to be.
@Jenora Feuer: “Then again, I deliberately stayed up 32 hours once before writing a story section that was supposed to be a dream sequence…”
O.o
That wouldn’t be safe for me. I routinely get by without much sleep during the week – thanks in part to present company – but I need some downtime, for medical reasons. I have been known to pull the occasional day-plus, but that’s usually if my mind is really focused on something and I won’t be able to sleep until it’s done. Staying up that long to reach a starting point… no.
@JJ: “Word-processing software spell-checkers, when run by someone with poor spelling skills who is unable to select the correct words when an error is flagged, will have the same effect as well. (Hence: pouring/poring, site/cite, baited/bated, waste/waist, etc.)”
Great. Now I’m picturing a fan upending a pitcher of beer over his laptop because he was trying to pour over his Worldcon Cite Selection options.
The kind of editing I would look at in Best Editor Long Form is not line editing for typos and spelling.
It’s pointing out where the plot arcs are too loose. It’s pointing out plot holes, internal inconsistencies, story lines or characters that are problematic or don’t carry their weight in the story. Showing the author where a character’s motivations don’t hold water, or the worldbuilding or technology doesn’t make sense. That sort of thing. Also acquiring novels.
That sort of thing is very hard to see and can only be judged from the outside based on the finished work–where we can’t see what of that finished work was the author’s original draft or the results of a good editor pointing things out. So I mostly go by ‘was this a good acquisition for the house’ and ‘is all that stuff addressed?’ There’s no way, alas, for me to know what was addressed by the author or the editor and that’s why I’m not fond of that category.
That said, I do see typos and spelling and word use errors as a symptom of sloppiness in other areas and look very askance at it anyway.
@Brian:
My point is that nobody says “Wrongfans” or “Wrongfun” except Puppies who want to feel persecuted. Cairnes was pretending to be neutral but he really really wasn’t.
Rev. Bob: Great. Now I’m picturing a fan upending a pitcher of beer over his laptop because he was trying to pour over his Worldcon Cite Selection options.
Now that’s just a waist of perfectly good beer.
<ducking out until the pun disgust has a baited>
Re: dictation software.
I’d have to be forced to use it. The number of non-standard words, made-up names, neologisms used by a SF/F writer is likely to be significant.
@JJ
“Now that’s just a waist of perfectly good
beerbear”There HAS to be a joke to go with that as the punchline!
@Stoic:
I’m pretty sure Spider Robinson made it. He had Mike Callahan dress up as a bruised ursine for Halloween in one story, insisting that he was “a b’ar tender.”
No, no, that would be a tender b’ar. The b’ar *tender* is the vet who patches up bruised bears. Now there’s a job that calls for courage.
You’ll have to talk to Spider about that one. Maybe I forgot a comma, but the gag is his.
This latest parody from Alexandra Erin is hysterically funny: http://www.alexandraerin.com/2015/07/whats-up-with-john-z-upjohn/
Thought on Longform editor nominations for future years:
Assuming an author is willing, I think it would be cool to see a “before” chapter (from when the author submitted it to said editor) and “after” chapter from a work… or at least a quick writeup from the author stating what specific notes he/she found helpful from said editor. As a writer myself, I totally understand folk not wanting to have a “before” chapter shared, but it’s not out of the question that an editor of multiple novelists would have at least one who’s cool sharing that kind of thing (the great dread SCALZI strikes me as a guy who might be game).
Greg: There’s a practical issue. If you do editorial work in public, there’s always someone out there who will seize on the earlier draft to explain all the ways it’s better and how you the author and whoever edited it both suck and this just shows how we should all be throwing less edited work onto the marketplace so as to free the spirit of true prose. Kerouac made stupid, essentially. This isn’t hypothetical – I’ve seen it with both prose and roleplaying game setting and rules matter.
Some writers and editors may be up for dealing with it, but it can be a darned drag with very little positive payoff.
Yeah, back in the pre-internet days I read Piers Anthony’s re-rewrite of “But What of Earth?” – the one with, so Google tells me, 80 pages of notes explaining just how the editor was an idiot. I remember thinking it wasn’t that great and being curious what the edited version looked like.
ildi:
Yeah, bullying isn’t wrong when the victim deserves it, said all bullies everywhere.
aeou:
The slogan of gamergate.
Aeou — If it were the sole criterion for judging actions, “Bullies use it as a rationalisation” would stop us from doing anything.
As it is, Brian has demonstrated that almost nothing we can say will phase him; pointing out his trollisms certainly hasn’t.
@ aeou
Did you get around to saying what you particularly liked about “Turncoat”?
Very late to the noodle dish party am I but, without singling out any particular recipe, I’d like to say that I’ve never, since first encountering them, understood why soba noodles don’t get more love.
@aeou
Great! Maybe you can get Brian to stop bullying us!!
Also late to the noodle dish potluck, and I second the love for soba noodles.
Soba? Soba!
rochrist: “Maybe you can get Brian to stop bullying us!!”
SMH.
@JJ:
It quite possibly is; Howard Taylor certainly seems to be reasonably well read in SF. Of course, Weber’s not the only one who does that sort of writing.
@Rev. Bob:
In my defence, I was still in my late 20s when I did that. And, well, it seemed like a good idea at the time (as many things can do when you’re still relatively young). I’m in my late 40s now, and definitely wouldn’t do it again.
@Jamoche:
While the story you linked to definitely sounds bad, as an ex-Anthony reader, I would say that he seems to fall into the category of ‘creative people who really desperately need an editor that they are actually willing to listen to’. A lot of my problems with Anthony’s writing can be easily explained by him being too popular and too full of himself for an editor to be able to really do anything to him.
Oh, noodles!
I remember when I was a kid in the 70s and started seeing commercials for Top Ramen and similar Asian noodle soups, they looked SOOOOOO good to me. Why doesn’t my family eat noodle soup? I thought. You can put shrimp and peas in it… and slice an egg on top… and eat it with chopsticks… and drink the broth…
I was probably in college when I started really eating ramen for the first time, and the nutritional profile was terrible, but I still liked it. Then I discovered udon at a local Japanese restaurant, and that was terrific, and then somebody finally took me to pho, and I was hooked. Come on! They give you fresh basil to tear up and put in the bowl!
I once had pho in Jakarta, Indonesia. The female members of the wedding party were waiting for our appointment to get our hair done for the ceremony (my USian brother was marrying an Indonesian woman), and we walked to get lunch somewhere nearby — ended up at what seemed like the Jakarta version of a strip mall — and nobody seemed to have any idea where to go, so I took charge and steered us to pho because I understood it. I was the only one who had eaten pho before. It was pretty similar to the pho in Seattle.
Sometimes I have made faux-pho with shirataki noodles, which are made from devil’s tongue yam(!) and are basically water-soluable fiber with no calories and no particular nutritional value. I amuse myself by thinking of them as Famine’s MEALS from Good Omens.
@mcJulie
I shall have to look for them…
For noodles, there’s a great little place near me that used to do spaghetti with a sauce that consisted of just melted butter, garlic, and chili pepper. No thick or heavy tomato sauces.
I should check them out again.
AUUUUGGGHHHHH! Another homophone bête noire:
phase / faze
@JJ
So a word out of phase with what it should mean makes your mien fazed?
😛
@ Noodles
Oh, pho is wonderful! Cheap ramen (10 packages to the dollar), for its part, can at least be doctored up to decent. Cook in chicken stock instead of water, add in sesame oil, white pepper, soy sauce, Worcestershire, white vinegar, some parsley flakes, pork seasoning packet, and float a couple hard poached eggs. You end up with a flavor a lot like hot and sour soup. Except, you know, with noodles and egg 🙂
I was once waiting for a car in Hanoi and was passing the time trying to guess what the shop signs were saying.
The one across the road had a sign written vertically with what appeared to be four Vietnamese words. The first word was “pho” – noodle soup! I knew that one.
Then “to” , then “co” then “py”…
Camestros, 😀
Hmmm. So after much soul searching, I’ve finally decided on my final winners….of noodles:
Best Pasta: Shrimp Aglio Olio
Best Noodle – Fried Form: Char Kuey Teow
Best Noodle – Soup Form: Hokkien Prawn Noodles
Now I’m hungry.
@Bruce: arrrghh, good point. I had forgotten the idiots. Damnit, if everyone just thought like ME, things would be all right and proper!
True, comparing the Hugos to US elections wasn’t a strong analogy. (Though ballots are most often destroyed, no?) But we’ve seen controversies emerge even three decades after the fact (with the 1984 data). We have had enough authors getting hurt in the crossfire over the arguments about Hugo campaigning, and this would just add fuel to the fire.