The editor fails to hide how ornery all this Puppy news makes him, in today’s Scroll.
(1) D23 is this weekend and attendees received this Drew Struzan poster for Star Wars: The Force Awakens. It’s a souvenir edition — Struzan will create another primary poster for the film.
(2) Just in time for WorldCon, “Tragedy of the Goats”, Francis Hamit’s epic story about, sex, security,and science fiction Fandom. Download it to your Kindle today and read it on the plane. (No puppies were harmed in this production.)
(3) Spokane Public Radio devoted about three minutes to “Worldcon Brings Science Fiction and Hugo Awards to Spokane”
Tom Whitmore, head of publicity, spoke to me over Skype and explained the twist in this year’s awards. Normally their 10,000 members nominate freely, but this year two writers groups formed a coalition to lobby for certain scifi works.
Whitmore: “And they were very successful in getting the nominations out there. This was not against any of the rules, it’s just not what’s been done in the past, it was against social norms.”
Hugo Awards recognize science fiction works, as voted on by Worldcon members.
And, he says, it has upset a lot of other members. Critics say these writer groups want to make the nominees more homogenous like the genre used to be, ie: winners would be less diverse.
That doesn’t sit well with one very-well known, award winning female writer. Vonda McIntyre will be a guest author at the convention.
McIntyre: “The most amazing writer going when I first started was Samuel R. Delaney…”
A science fiction writer who’s black, and gay.
And who’s named Delany.
(4) If Tom Knighton hadn’t titled his post “Why I no longer care” it would be easier to focus on his actual point:
I read for fun. If I want to challenge myself, I read non-fiction. I’m a damn political writer. I challenge myself daily. I read fiction for fun, and it’s not your place to suggest I challenge myself in what I do for pleasure. It’s not anyone’s place.
The truth is that those books I’m told I should challenge myself over are books I don’t want to read. I don’t care how it handles homosexuality. I care whether it tells a good story and whether I’ll like the protagonists. Now, if those protagonists are homophobic, I’m 99 percent sure I won’t like them. I don’t need to be told that the protagonists are gay, straight, trans, or whatever. That’s not pertinent to my interests. Whether the story is fun, is.
Somewhere along the line, folks got hung up on sex and sexuality. It’s pretty annoying.
However, it’s become clear that for some people, a book’s “message” is vital. Even books from bygone eras aren’t safe from being dissected for their social message rather than their story.
I’ve been one of those trying to argue that message fiction was a bad idea. I still think it is. But now, I just don’t care what those folks do.
(5) George R.R. Martin pre-interprets how any of several possible Campbell Awards winners will be an early sign of how the wind is blowing on Hugo night.
If Wesley Chu takes the Campbell, as he should, I think we will be in for a fairly reasonable night in Spokane. There will be some winners from the slates, and some categories will go the No Award, but most of the rockets will actually go to deserving work. If Chu wins, I think the vast majority of the fans in the auditorium will be more happy than not by night’s end.
If No Award wins, however… if No Award takes the Campbell, it will represent a huge and ominous victory for the “nuclear option,” for the faction of fandom that wants to destroy the village in order to save it. A victory by No Award in this category will signify that the voters decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and will likely betoken a long ugly night ahead, with category after category going to No Award. Myself, I think this unlikely. I think the hardcore “vote No Award on everything” voters are a small (if noisy) minority. But I could be wrong. It could happen.
And what if one of the four Puppy finalists takes the tiara?
That would represent a victory for the Puppies, certainly. But even there, certain distinctions should be made. Rolf Nelson was a candidate of the Rabids, but not the Sads. A victory by Nelson would be a singular triumph for Teddy Beale and the most extreme elements of Puppydom… and could suggest even worse results ahead, up to and including VD actually winning one or both of the Editing Hugos for which he is nominated.
Kary English, on the other hand, represents a much more moderate side of Puppydom. Though initially put forward by both the Sad and Rabid slates, VD later dropped her and removed her from his suggested ballot entirely when English put up a couple of blog posts that distanced herself from the Puppy party line.
(6) Miles Schneiderman of YES! Magazine joins the ranks of finger-waggers who haven’t bothered to learn how to spell “Torgersen” in his widely-linked critique “Sad Puppies, Rabid Chauvinists: Will Raging White Guys Succeed in Hijacking Sci-Fi’s Biggest Awards?”
In other words, Torgerson seems to think there are merely a handful of science fiction and fantasy stories worth anyone’s time: the ones that are just plain fun. People don’t want uncomfortable ideas or unorthodox characters; they just want “a rip-roaring good story” full of “broad-chested heroes” with “pioneering derring-do” who, of course, “run off with beautiful women.” Anything else is false advertising, tricking the unsuspecting reader into a story with complicated messages and cultural commentary, when all they wanted was escapist adventure. Torgerson’s version of “old school” speculative fiction seems to be primarily for and about men. Get out of our treehouse, girls! We’re playing space pirates. Didn’t you see the sign?
Not only does this view denigrate women, it denigrates fans of speculative fiction. In fact, it disrespects the entire genre by negating the value of any story element that doesn’t contribute to the reader’s entertainment high. As the Canadian journalist Jeet Heer points out, “the faux-populism of the Puppy brigade is actually insulting to the right, since it assumes that conservatives can’t be interested in high culture.” The Puppy movement is anti-intellectual at its core, and thus anathema to the genre it seeks to redefine.
(7) Jugger Grimrod (would I kid you?) says the butcher’s bill at the Hugos won’t be as bad as you’ve heard, on Silence Is A Weapon.
Everyone says the Hugos will survive, and I tend to agree. I think the Puppy voters will get tired of throwing away their money in the name of making whatever statement they’re trying to make. They will also have a harder time maintaining the charade that their campaign is about anything other than self-promotion, because after this year there will be fewer neutral parties willing to appear on any slate. The nomination rules will probably be changed to make slates less effective, although I’m afraid that will make the whole process more confusing and could scare some potential nominators away. In the long run this will mostly be forgotten, but in the short term it probably means that at least two WorldCons are going to have their Hugos basically invalidated, and I don’t like that they have to make that sacrifice. In my opinion the harassment policy should be invoked against the Puppy organizers and they should be banned from the convention and disqualified from the awards on that basis. I get that the Hugo organizers won’t do this, they would argue that the integrity of the awards depends on strict adherence to the bylaws, not arbitrary decisions by administrators. I could make some counter arguments but I don’t want to go down that road right now. I will just say that when a group has a stated goal of disrupting the awards, it wouldn’t bother me at all if they were barred from participating.
(8) Brianne Reeves breaks down the Antonelli story from a politicial perspective in “Let’s Talk about the Hugo Awards (Now with more libertarianism!)”.
Most recently, a false police report was filed by a Hugo nominee against another, leading to a full WorldCon investigation and the nominee’s work being rejected from a magazine. In the fall out, death threats and harassment ensued. We’ll be talking a little bit about this. For the full background on the story, you can see some of the posts I’ll link below.
While the “victim” of the false police report has accepted Lou Antonelli’s apologies, the actions of Antonelli haven’t ceased to have consequences. Antonelli’s actions in particular aren’t really what I want to talk about. I’m going to be addressing the actions we have seen in our community more broadly. It feels a bit ridiculous that I should even have to do this; these behaviors are far from common. Unfortunately, they’ve insinuated themselves into our world.
I’m approaching much of this from a more libertarian perspective. This is for a few reasons (1) I think that a libertarian discourse about rights and the role of the state is fitting for the behaviors we have seen in this community; and (2) I think that a discourse about positive and negative rights is a broadly applicable approach for the rhetoric that accompanies the behaviors we have seen recently.
I believe Lou Antonelli acted on impulse, not in furtherance of either well- or poorly-considered libertarian principles, though Reeves’ post was interesting to me just the same.
(9) Marcus Bales’ poetic comment appears on Blog, Jvstin Style:
Ballade of Sad Puppies
[first of four verses]
Who knows within what hidden garret
Vox Day scribes his sexist rant,
or why Correia tries to parrot
his vicious views with careless cant,
or Torgerson begins to prate
of how their work has been ignored
providing cover for their slate
behind his merited award;
they’re powered by their privileged fear.
Oh, where are the pros of yesteryear?
(10) I often search Twitter for File 770 references but rarely for Glyer. It seems I have missed a few gems as a result.
https://twitter.com/benjanun_s/status/630820349010010112
https://twitter.com/benjanun_s/status/632156189296472064
Vile 770 speaks truth #SadPuppies Mike Glyer Aug 14,2015 16:16
Justice has been done — thanks for writing this post.Vile 770 is a kicker.
— Quilly Mammoth (@Quilly_Mammoth) August 15, 2015
[Thanks to redheadedfemme and John King Tarpinian for some of these stories. Title credit goes to File 770 contributing editor of the day Cubist .]
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As long as the world is allowed to be impervious to their goings on as well, I’d be happy to contribute to that GoFundMe or Kickstarter or whatever. Where do I sign up?
With regard to GG’s bomb threat issue, while it might have been someone who didn’t like GG, that motivation is weak — on Ghazi they’ve been popping popcorn, setting up bingo cards, and laying in drinks for drinking games about Airplay for weeks now, so their party got ruined by this idiocy too. Plus, it’s doubtful that any of the folks opposed to GG (who, once again, are not a group of any kind) wants to see GG get sympathy this way.
Some 8channer claimed credit already, of course, but when I first heard about it I wondered if Oliver Campbell (I think it was that guy?) might be behind it, because of how upset he was that the organizer wouldn’t slate a full hour for GG to go over its entire history at the gathering.
May Tree, whoever’s behind it, it’s very unlikely to be David Gerrold, don’t you think?
In fact, contrary to what that idiotic superversive article says:
The real analogy is between Antonelli and the person making the bomb threat. Both baseless claims of danger either had the potential to or did disrupt an event.
I gather there’s some kind of negotiation going on between VD and some other party? Is this a serious negotiation, a satirical one, or is someone trying to pull our collective leg?
Meanwhile GRRM has put up his predictions for the Hugos Part 1, Part 2. George has been pretty negative about the “No Award for Everything” faction, and I think VD has also been alternately talking it up and down, but my impression from here is that’s never been a serious contender; am I right about that, or have they had some serious weight behind them?
“Is this a serious negotiation, a satirical one, or is someone trying to pull our collective leg?”
It’s a troll taking his wank for a walk.
@NelC
It’s a small sample size here, but most of what I have seen is people reading and commenting on the works on the short lists. I would take that as an indication that people wanted to read what was nominated. So I don’t expect a Nuclear option.
Having said that, I feel No Award will take several categories because the quality/principle metrics lead mostly to the same outcome.
I don’t know what post prompted this comment, but you know what? If they actually care, I’d just as soon that their voices were heard.
Maybe they have terrible taste, maybe they’re assholes, maybe they’re just fearful that their pale cocks will not save them from the fate they fear their virtues deserve; nonetheless if they have found written works which instilled in them a sense that the universe had a scope beyond the everyday, then they, and I, share something, something I like to feel that I share with the commenters on this board, an experience that meant a great deal to me over the course of my life, and I think their approbation for those works should be heard…as long as it’s being heard from individuals, sharing their meaningful experiences, not people voting unread, and en masse, for the works put forth by whatever group will offer to validate their prejudices, insulating them from having to consider whether those prejudices reveal attitudes within themselves that need consideration.
@Exarch Cathedra
Agreed. My post prompted the comment but the puppies prompted the indignation.
I think there were a number of sad puppies who voted off slate with their own choices. Now I think quite a few took the slate entries for unfamiliar categories without actually reading – Wisdom from My Internet being the underpinning of this theory.
In a way the success of the Rabids points me to the view that the Sads voted more traditionally with some fannish individual choices, this should be encouraged.
I don’t see a way around SP4 but I hope it’s a recommendation list and a discussion group like I have seen here during the Brackett Wars.
@Shambles
In a way the success of the Rabids points me to the view that the Sads voted more traditionally with some fannish individual choices, this should be encouraged.
If only the Sads could see that when their votes are swamped by the Rabids’, they’re in the same boat with the rest of us.
@NelC, the negotiations are currently being carried out by a fairly new troll. It’s amusing, and has it’s momnets, esp. when we are able to reign our more bloodthirsty desires.
Unscientifically, I think there is very little backing for a No Award EVERYTHING position. No Award All Puppies seems more common, and No Award All Puppies Except the Dramatic Presentation more common yet.
How this compares to the Ok let’s read and give this a chance position is unclear, as most of us are still bleeding from our eyes.
Ad-blindness was the first thing Rigellians and Terrans discovered they had in common.
I’d like to thank everyone who recommended Naomi Novik’s “Uprooted” – at least I will once I catch up on the sleep I’ve missed from staying up reading it. I’ve liked her fanfic but found Temeraire insufferably twee (and I gave it 3 books before giving up; it really is something I’d otherwise like), so I wouldn’t have picked it up on my own.
At one point Finch tells him thatbhe knew some other two goons were SAS because they were “A lot like you: very low-key and sort of scary”.
Although the moment that really sent shivers down my back was Carter’s interrogation of the Taliban accomplice and her subsequent despair at how he ended up. A lot of PoI is about how a dirty war damages the people who come in contact with it, even when they are deeply moral characters like Carter. And I like how it aknowledges that even sociopaths like Shaw do have a moral compass, although not the wiring that allows them instinctive empathy.
I also like the fact that there are no real villains – even Greer has his reasons. And they are believable… All right, maybe The HR top is a bit short of sympathy.
The character that I don’t believe in and gets a bit on my nerves is Root.
Agreed about Root. Gimmicky.
Exarch: You say “if they have found written works which instilled in them a sense that the universe had a scope beyond the everyday”, but the fact is that they haven’t. Or at least they’re not nominating works for that reason. There’s stuff we know they put on the slate without reading it, and very few of their supporters have written about the slates’ works having any of that kind of effect on them. They’ve said explicitly about some past picks being there purely and entirely to offend their imagined enemies. Mostly it’s work by their buddies or people they want to curry favor with.
An effort to identify and promote works with conservative themes that could inspire any scrap of the awe, wonder, and delight of works by Silverberg, Card, Wolfe, Lafferty, and so many others would have been a lot more interesting. It would also not be either Puppies groups, since those are only about self-promotion wrapped in culture warring.
Yeah….no.
In order for that to make sense (for very limited values of the word, mind you!) WorldCon would have to be Puppyland, to be disrupted by “anti-Pups” or whatever….as usually, they have things completely backwards.
On the topic of Noah Ward, I haven’t seen much support anywhere for a complete No Awarding. I voted in the dramatic presentation categories myself because none of the people involved in those have any clue who the Puppies are so the slating issue is irrelevant there. In categories where there were viable candidates, I voted for those candidates in the order in which I liked them.
Soon Lee,
It’s really revolutionary. You’ve democratized the blogosphere. #DisemvowelingForAll! Really great work.
My sympathy that your best effort hasn’t quite enabled you to restrain yourself from talking about me, but it looks like you are almost there. Don’t give up.
In the past I’ve blogged and commented from two different email addresses, and I’ve been meaning for some time to move all my internet activity to one convenient location. So thank you for all the discussion about gravatars which prompted me to get around to it. I first emailed Mike to let him know, then accidentally mistyped one character in my first comment with the new address, and then I belatedly remembered to change it on my cellphone too. Sorry for all that ruthless behavior!
Interestingly, now I’ve made this address the default for the Canine Daze blog as well, and based on what you said, that switched these comments back to the first gravatar ID again. So that’s useful to know. Thanks for your feedback. (And your continued concern!)
I too clicked that demand for an apology for Antonelli and ugh… the stupid… it burns, it burns
I’m not sure how anyone could be completely serious under these circumstances, but I thought it was close enough for government work.
Mike Glyer gave him a yellow card for repeating some of y’all’s foul language too close to verbatim for comfort, and he is anxious to respect Mike’s wishes, so that may have scared him off.
Sniff sniff – is that wounded innocence I smell? So much of it around in this post.
Argh, you guys totally Khan’d me with that earworm, so now
reap the whirlwindenjoy my feeble attempts to play along.I heard there was a secret vote
By several writers (quote-unquote)
But you don’t feel regret or shame, now, do ya
Your righteous anger led you on
Until all common sense was gone.
You thought the “business” owed the Hugos to ya…
Hugos to ya (x 4)
You surely thought you couldn’t lose
You’d dictate all there was to choose
The fans at large, they wouldn’t misconstrue ya
But Poxy and his Rabid bunch
They took your slots, they ate your lunch
They made damn sure they’ll give no Hugos to ya…
Your puppy slate, it wasn’t much
Your choices were so out of touch
You gave out noms to anyone who knew ya
And in the blogs it came to pass
Old George, he handed you your ass
Spokane ain’t bringing any Hugos to ya…
You swear that there must be a trick
To lose to all this message fic
Those pink and poofy CHORFs will always screw ya
A Goblin with a Chinese Sword
Whose battle cry is “No Award”
Prevents the fen from giving Hugos to ya
Your picks look like you lost a bet
No Wisdom in your Internet
Oh, you don’t really like that garbage, do ya
It goes like this: it’s sixth of five
Contempt can’t keep your hopes alive
And naked spite won’t draw the Hugos to ya
Ann Somerville:
You mean about the Gravatar thing? Well, I do feel a little regret for inadvertently causing your scroll to be filled with dozens more long comments about Brian Z devoted entirely to the subject of how to not look at comments from Brian Z. So I apologize for that. But by all means, break out the bingo cards if you want to.
Or do you mean buwaya? I think he’s well-intentioned. You should ask him to keep talking, and let’s all remember Mike’s cultural preferences about the language.
God Stalk!
You stalked into this blog post
like you were on a canine raid
Your schtick strategically aimed a bit too high
Your comments never made the grade
You had one eye on your wordpress hits
As if your thoughts were by word paid
And all the posters dreamed that
They’d put you down hard, they’d put you down hard
You’re so vain
You probably think this filk is about you
You’re so vain,
I’ll bet you think this filk is about you
Don’t you? Don’t you?
I heard there were two kinds of dogs
That collected slates and winged frogs
One kind was know for its melancholia
The other was a more fearsome kind
That could quote Aristotle from its behind
And suffered acutely from hydrophobia
Hydrophobia, hydrophobia,
hydrophobia, hydro-pho-ohohoh-biaaa
Ann, I knew that if I admitted that choosing a day when lots of people were posting and reposting my Gravatar ID to switch emails wound up being more annoying than funny and I was sorry, I’d be instantly mocked. That’s OK. I actually want to say sorry for the inconvenience.
Bravo, bloodstone75! And everyone else who came up with “Hugos To Ya” earlier, they’re all great. Damn, I’m going to be earwormed all night long now.
I’m not much into filks, but thanks for all the Hallelujiah filking, folks – it made me grin! Also a grin to Ann & Camestros for their additions just before I typed this, too.
I want to hear the “Hugos To Ya” filks performed. And I’m not much for live filking…
@Jamoche “Ad-blindness was the first thing Rigellians and Terrans discovered they had in common.”
Friend! Glad to see I’m not the only one who thought of that. 🙂
I see VD says he likes the cut of Camestros’ jib.
Well, there’s certainly a cue for someone to rethink their whole life.
To be fair the last time I had my jib cut it wasn’t my usual hairdresser.
Aaron wrote: “Every time I see something from the “Superversive” group, they seem more stupid and paranoid than I thought anyone could possibly be.”
That “Superversive” blog post is yet another example (among too many) in this long-running mess of me thinking someone is writing parody… and then discovering, uh, no, they actually meant what they wrote.
Even the name Superversive seems to indicate parody
Do they want to talk to you about the script of Hamlet they have written?
Well they thought you liked Ancillary Justice
For its politics and not merits
But then you don’t really care for John Wright, do you?
Well everyone reads
From some kind of lists, and most of them fall and some will lift
Their baffling taste shouldn’t really matter to ya
Matter to ya, matter to ya….
Your anger was strong and you had no proof
They offered a branch but you stayed aloof
Their politics and prose styles overthrew you
So you tied them all to some rabid blogs
Cried “No Award,” and kicked their dogs
Not wondering why doing all of that matters to ya
Matters to ya, matters to ya….
They’ve picked their best… so it wasn’t much
But they’re fans too and you’re a bit out of touch
I’ve told the truth, I didn’t come to troll you
And even though it all went south
You should try to hear what comes from your own mouth
There’s more to SF than the parts that matter to ya
Matter to ya, matter to ya….
Here’s an interesting thought about PoI: it’s about parenthood. To be specific, it’s about a group of broken people coming together and finding that by protecting Finch’s child, The Machine, and the people it points out, they become better people.
@Brian Z
Well, there’s your filk contributions jumping the shark as well.
Truly, this is the day the troll’s filk died.
The Ones Who Filk Away From Omelas
Scansion. It’s not just a river in Egypt.
Jim Henley: don’t worry, I’ll keep tinkering, and there is still one more verse to write next week.
P.L. Nunn! That explains it… I am familiar with her anime fanworks, and something about the art seemed pleasantly familiar. 🙂
@rgl:
It seemed pretty obvious that the source of the clock wanted the experiment stopped. That’s just the last event in the book I recall reading.
I’ll tolerate a lot of nonsense if there’s another sort of payoff somewhere — my first fandom was Pern, after all — but TBP just didn’t hit any of my buttons. It says something that I made a conscious decision to search out spoilers instead of reading the rest of the book.
I liked the shotgun approach of ideas in TBP. While it didn’t all hang together quite right, I liked that messy feel and also that it didn’t depend on letting our familiarity with genre tropes do a lot of the work. The aliens were alien and their actions towards Earth were alien – yet their actions made sense.
On No Award: the day before the voting deadline, I linked to all the blog posts I could find about the fiction categories. No Award seemed to be the leader for all three short fiction awards, most clearly ahead in Novella. It wasn’t clear in all cases whether people were voting No Award on quality or on anti-slate principle.
My sense is that very few people advocated a blanket No Award approach. I can recall precisely three: Michael Z Williamson, Philip Sandifer and Adam Roberts. I am not even sure that Sandifer still holds that position.
There is a much larger group who said that they would vote No Award ahead of all the slate candidates (with occasional caveats, eg for Best Dramatic Presentation), and I’d bet it’s at least a third of all voters – enough to make No Award the strongest candidate in a lot of categories where those who based their votes purely on aesthetics rather than politics also find the choices unappealing – particularly when added to the fewer voters who took a harder line.
I am among those fewer voters. I reacted to a political project with a political vote, and I took the slightly harder line proposed by Matt Foster, of voting No Award against the slates and also making it my first preference vote if there were only one or two non-slate candidates, as I felt that didn’t give a fair choice. I expect that Wesley Chu, Julie Dillon and Laura Mixon will still win. I’m not so sure about Thomas Olde Heuvelt, whose story didn’t seem to chime with all that many bloggers in my survey.
I surmise that those who won’t vote No Award at all, be it that they support the Puppies or just think that everything on the ballot deserves consideration, are also around a third of the voters, perhaps a bit below. In a normal year, at least two-thirds of voters would be in that category. But the combination of disgust at the frothing rhetoric of the Puppies, and at the poor quality of the work they forced onto the ballot, has pushed up the respectability of the No Award option to unprecedented levels.
The key voters are, as ever, those in the middle. There’s been some foolish commentary about how the Puppy voters, even as a minority, could be kingmakers, ie that Puppy transfers will decide which non-Puppy candidate wins the award. I predict that there will be fewer than three cases where this argument can be even half credibly made from the numbers. In general, the Puppies will lose clearly, and their transfers won’t be decisive. (Kary English may win, but has of course distanced herself from the Puppies.)
In a normal Hugo year I would make sure to be awake in the middle of the night (as it is in Europe) to blog in detail about the results, especially drilling down into the data, as quickly as possible. I won’t do that this year. The Puppies have taken the shine off one of the most fun moments of my fannish calendar. Also my oldest friend, who I see maybe once a year, is visiting that evening, and I plan to enjoy good company until the small hours and then sleep late the next morning. So you can analyse without me.
Oh wow, folks; these filks are *soo* impressive! Bloodstone75 in particular had me laughing all the way down, but they’re all excellent.
Oh, and yesterday was a big reading day. I just got _Castle Hangnail_ out of the library and thoroughly enjoyed it, and I’m 1/3 of the way into _Disappearing Nightly_.
I notice there isn’t a new pixel scroll up yet–is it just too early in the morning? Or did Mike just decide to take a day off and let the fannish enthusiasms accumulate for a bigger pixel scroll later?
I kind of want to run a TV show bracket, but I don’t want to horn in on Kyra’s action.
My big problem with TBP is that the scientists didn’t act like scientists (experiments not working out as expected is par for the course and no reason to over-react) and some of the main people acted as if their deepest emotional relationships had no importance to them. I could have lived with the rest of it if those two issues hadn’t kept cropping up.
@Will
Root is quite polarizing too. I certainly find her a bit over powered (I think the writers do too as they sideline her a lot as she can make things too easy, recent events may change this)
On the other hand she is a total fruitloop. I don’t like Root because she’s creepy and disturbing but I do admire the way Amy Acker manages to pull that off.
Fusco: She had a warrant – a real one. What was I supposed to say? “Sorry, boss, Agent King is actually a superpowered nutball. Just ask my buddy, the urban legend.”
Could be fun but I’d suggest leaving Doctor Who, Star Trek and Firefly out until the end to reduce factionalism.
Could be fun but I’d suggest leaving Doctor Who, Star Trek and Firefly out until the end to reduce factionalism.
…And Babylon 5. And X-files. And Buffy. And Farscape. And Battlestar. And God Stalk.
(Also, it’s a fun idea)