(1) OOKPIK FIXED. Terry Fong, chair of the Montréal in 2027 Worldcon bid, sent an official reply to a question from File 770 about the $350 level presupport.
We goofed on the wording of one of our membership presupport levels. The description of our highest level (Ookpik) now reads as follow:
“We will pay your Advance WSFS membership (voting fee) in the 2027 Site Selection election. You still will have to join the 2025 Worldcon as at least a WSFS (supporting) member in order to vote on the 2027 Site Selection. (Of course, you have to cast your own ballot.) If we win, you will get a full attending membership including a WSFS membership. All the perks of lower support levels, a piece of nifty swag from a previous CANSMOF-sponsored convention AND a fridge magnet. You also get a unique nifty cool ribbon for your support at this level.”
Apologies to all for any confusion arising from our previous wording.
(2) HEAR TERRY PRATCHETT. Fanac.org has added an audio recording of Terry Pratchett’s GoH speech from Noreascon 4 (2004).
It’s very, very, funny. The recording is about 1 hr, 10 minutes long. It does not include all the Q&A. Audio provided by Steven Silver. Thanks, Steven! Portrait of Terry Pratchett by Charles Williams, from the N4 Program Book.
(3) NERD LOVE. [Item by Daniel Dern.] From the New York Times: “Who Kissed First? Archaeology Has an Answer”.
This is a love story:…
They met a week earlier at a pub near the University of Copenhagen, where both were undergraduates. “I had asked my cousin if he knew any nice single guys with long hair and long beards,” Dr. Rasmussen said. “And he said, ‘Sure, I’ll introduce you to one.’”
Dr. Arboll, in turn, had been looking for a partner that shared his interest in Assyriology, the study of Mesopotamian languages and the sources written in them. “Not many people know what an Assyriologist actually does,” he told her.
“I do,” said Dr. Rasmussen, who had taken some of the same classes.
Dr. Arboll, now a professor of Assyriology at the university, said, “When I heard that, I knew she was a keeper.” …
(4) NOW, WHATEVER YOU DO, DON’T PANIC! [Item by SF Concatenaton’s Jonathan Cowie.] Douglas Adams’ novel The Hitch-Hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy (1979) was the subject of the last third of this week’s BBC Radio 4 show A Good Read.
Now, I came to Hitch-Hiker’s in its original incarnation as the 1978 BBC 4 Radio show the last two episodes of which greatly benefited from some cohesiveness from John Lloyd. That season and the subsequent ‘Christmas edition’ (which became the first episode of the second season) is for me what Hitch-Hiker’s is all about: to me, you can keep the subsequent series; the fist season and Christmas episode alone were works of true genius).
I was not alone, Hitch-Hiker’s was a favourite with almost all to my fellow members of my college SF group, Hatfield PSIFA (now Hertfordshire University PSIFA). And even then we were not alone. I remember at the 1979 Worldcon in Brighton, Britain, when the Hugo Award short-list for ‘Best Dramatic Presentation’ was read out there was a huge cheer from the audience. As it happened, the film Superman won and Kal El himself in the mortal guise of Christopher Reeve (not Clark Kent) took to the stage. He, very graciously, said while he was happy that technically Superman had won that clearly for the people there in the hall it was Hitch-Hiker’s that was the true winner… (You have to remember that, back in the 1970s, N. America dominated the Worldcon and Hugos far more than they do today.)
Which brings us to this week’s BBC Radio 4 A Good Read. The presenter noted that though the novel (1979) came out some 45 years ago, Hitch-Hiker’s had never been a subject on that programme! It has to be said that the novel did not get an entirely smooth ride as one of the show’s panelists did not like SF and another took a more of a curate’s egg approach. All this despite the presenter noting that 15 million copies of the book had been sold among other related adaptations to other media and merch. Nonetheless, some interesting points were made including that the character Zaphod Beeblebrox was a politician who actually never did run anything but was a self-serving, self publicist… It was noted that here there are parallels with some of today’s politicians (examples, it was hinted, including in the UK and elsewhere (the US?), who could she have meant?).
“Harriett’s choice is Douglas Adams’ story about Arthur Dent’s journey through space with an alien called Ford Prefect after earth is demolished to make way for a bypass.”
You can access this episode of A Good Read at the link. Remember to skip to the programme’s final third. (Phew. Now, where’s my towel?)
(5) COURT TOSSES FOUR CLAIMS IN SUIT AGAINST OPEN AI. “Court Trims Authors’ Copyright Lawsuit Against Open AI” – Publishers Weekly knows where it was clipped.
A federal judge in California this week dismissed four of six claims made by authors in a now consolidated lawsuit alleging that Open AI infringes their copyrights. But the court gave the authors a month to amend their complaint, and the suit’s core claim of direct infringement—which Open AI did not seek to dismiss—remains active.
Following a December 7 hearing, federal judge Araceli Martínez-Olguín needed just 13 pages to dismiss a host of claims made by the authors, including vicarious infringement (count two), claims that Open AI removed or altered copyright management information (count three); negligence under the unfair competition law (count five); and unjust enrichment (count six). The court allowed a fourth claim of “unfairness” under the unfair competition law to proceed, however, holding that, if true, the authors’ claims that Open AI used their copyrighted works “to train their language models for commercial profit may constitute an unfair practice.”….
Amazing Stories has a more quotes from the decision in its post “Breaking: AI Copyright Infringement Claims Rejected”.
(6) THE ‘SHOW’ SHOULD GO ON. Philip Athans turns to an old paperback for an example of “What We Can Learn From A Random Science Fiction Novel: ‘Show’ Vs. Info Dump” at Fantasy Author’s Handbook.
…When I say “show, don’t tell,” the first thing I’m attacking is the info dump. This is when authors effectively stop the story and start explaining, when they start writing an article instead of a scene. I’ve called out one author on that here, so you can see an example of what not to do, but in reading—and loving—Star Bridge, when I got to Chapter 8, I found a fantastic example of how to balance showing a character’s experience of an imagined world while conveying, not dumping, all sorts of specific information about how that world operates.
In Star Bridge, authors Jack Williamson and James E. Gunn seems to have committed the cardinal sin of opening each and every chapter with what, on the surface, would appear to be short info dumps. Presented under the title THE HISTORY, we’re “told” a little about the unique future in which interstellar travel, via a teleportation device, is strictly controlled by Eron, a monopoly that has reached essentially imperial status. The story begins with our hero, Horn, having been sent to assassinate the leader of this monopoly. It’s a fun ride, and one that goes into deeper places as the story unfolds….
(7) TODAY’S BIRTHDAY.
[Written by Cat Eldridge.]
Born February 14, 1970 — Simon Pegg, 54. Though Simon Pegg’s certainly not James Doohan, who’s beloved for being the first and for most Trekkies still the only Montgomery “Scotty” Scott no doubt, I found his version in Star Trek, Star Trek Into Darkness and Star Trek Beyond to be quite true to the original character. Though it’s been eight years since the last film, they are talking apparently about a fourth film.
(For the record, I thought the primary actors were fine in all three, but the scripts in the second two sucked. And the less said a certain recast villian from the original series, the better.)
Paramount + has all of the Tom Cruise Mission Impossible films of which there are eight so far. Pegg is Benji Dunn, an IMF technician, who debuts in Mission: Impossible III as a supporting protagonist before returning in Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol, Mission: Impossible — Rogue Nation, Mission: Impossible – Fallout, Mission: Impossible – Dead Reckoning Part One, and Part Two, no longer as a supporting cast member but as a leading cast member.
So who’s seen some of these? Opinions please?
Now let’s deal with his non-franchise film roles. His first venture into the genre was Shaun of the Dead which he co-wrote with Edgar Wright and had an acting role in as, errr, Shaun. Of course he got, wait for it, the meaty role. You can groan now.
It was inspired by ideas they used for their Spaced comedy series about two women living in a small but posh apartment, particularly an episode in which Pegg’s character hallucinates a zombie invasion. Though not SF, the fourteen episodes often made references to popular culture, including SF and horror films, comic books, and video games.
At Romero’s invitation, Pegg and Wright made both cameo appearances in Romero’s Land of the Dead. Not meaty roles, but they are there.
He appeared in a Ninth Doctor story, “the Long Game” as The Editor. The BBC press release for this episode says Pegg had grown up with Who and he considered it a “great honour” to guest star on the series, and he was rather pleased at being cast as a bad guy.
I’m going to note just several of the animated works he did. He did the voice and motion capture for detective Thompson in The Adventures of Tintin (also known, though I didn’t know this before as charmingly as The Adventures of Tintin: The Secret of the Unicorn). And he did the voice of what sounds like a bad sneeze, Reepicheep the Mouse, in The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader.
Let’s end with Nandor Fodor and the Talking Mongoose, a curious film indeed. It is based on the legend of Gef an apparently talking mongoose , a story that got extensive coverage in the British tabloid press in the early 1930s. Pegg plays investigator Nandor Fodor, and Neil Gaiman voices Gef. It left British critics terribly annoyed. Not that it takes much to annoy them, does it?
(8) COMICS SECTION.
- Eek! reveals the truth about a superhero’s laundry.
- Speed Bump shows the last person on Earth learning the reason she’s still around.
(9) FANTASTIC CAST. Variety names names: “Fantastic Four: Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn Cast at Marvel (variety.com)
The superhero quartet — the first characters created for Marvel Comics by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby — will be played by Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards (aka Mr. Fantastic), Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm (aka the Invisible Woman), Joseph Quinn as Johnny Storm (aka the Human Torch) and Ebon Moss-Bachrach as Ben Grimm (aka the Thing).
As part of the casting announcement, Disney has swapped the release dates of “The Fantastic Four” (now set for July 25, 2025) and “Thunderbolts” (now set for May 2, 2025). Those are two of four Marvel tentpoles currently set to open in 2025, along with “Captain America: Brave New World” in February and “Blade” in November. Four Marvel films are also scheduled for 2026, including “Avengers: The Kang Dynasty.” That’s a ramp up from 2024: Marvel only has “Deadpool & Wolverine” for theaters, on July 26….
(10) OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB. Inverse critic Hoai-Tran Bui declares that “Madame Web Is Embarrassing for Everyone Involved”.
… Madame Web isn’t so much a movie as it is the pretense of one — a collection of Easter eggs and prequel nonsense strung together by half-assed ADR and dialogue that feels like it was drummed up in Screenwriting 101. But the most alarming thing about Madame Web is that it is a movie that never really gets started. Instead, it’s just one long prelude to the actual story, like being trapped in one of Cassie Webb’s time-looping visions with no escape….
(11) REPO’D AGAIN. “Alex Cox Directing Kiowa Gordon in ‘Repo Man 2’” reports Variety.
Alex Cox is getting back behind the wheel.
The “Repo Man” director is revisiting the off-kilter world of extraterrestrials and car repossession that he mined so memorably in the 1984 cult classic in a new sequel that is being introduced to buyers at the Berlin Film Festival and European Film Market. Entitled “Repo Man 2: The Wages of Beer,” the film is being backed by Buffalo 8 Productions, a film and media company best known for the critically acclaimed work on Netflix series “The Jeffrey Dahmer Tapes.” Cox wrote the script along with directing the film.
Kiowa Gordon, best known for his role as Embry Call in “The Twilight Saga” and for his work in the AMC series “Dark Winds,” is set to lead the cast as Otto. Emilio Estevez played Otto in the 1984 original. The film picks up after Otto has boarded his trusty 1967 Chevy Malibu to journey across the infinities of time and space. In that time he has aged exactly 90 minutes.
(12) FOR THOSE WITH YOUNGER DIGESTIVE TRACTS. “Mountain Dew pie and chocolate tacos revealed in Taco Bell showcase” reports Independent. See the hour-long event in this YouTube video: “Taco Bell Presents Live Más Live 2024”.
(13) THAT IS THE QUESTION. Revisit Sir Patrick Stewart’s visit to Sesame Street from many years ago: “Patrick Stewart Soliloquy on B”.
[Thanks to Andrew Porter, John King Tarpinian, Chris Barkley, Daniel Dern, Cat Eldridge, SF Concatenation’s Jonathan Cowie, Steven French, and Mike Kennedy for some of these stories. Title credit belongs to File 770 contributing editor of the day Danny Sichel.]
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(6) Eh. I like a good infodump, in its proper place, and when well-done, but not overdone. But that place is not in every sf novel. Not in most sf novels, in fact.
It remains to be seen if I remain functional for more scroll reading tonight.
(6) Did AI make that decision?
(9) Maybe they’ll finally get it right? 😉 (The 2005 one was kinda fun. The 2015 took forever to start.)
(11) Gasp! But “Repo Man” without Harry Dean Stanton… 🙁 Or without Emilio Estevez… (The original was so long ago I not only watched it on VHS but had to rent it.)
(3) So, To Assyriology with love?
(6) Ok, so the quote from War and Peace is an infodump. In my upcoming novel, Becoming Terran, I’m explicitly using the style Brunner used in Stand on Zanzibar, which of course was the one created by Dos Passos in his USA trilogy.
At their request, I sent an eARC to a reviewer… who never did a review, but said I had an infodump.
What I have, every 5-6 chapters, is a 1 – 1.5 page newsfeed, just as you hear on the radio, local, continental, international, weather… Would folks here consider that in infodump? None of them are over 500 words.
(12) Chocolate tacos? Um, er, instead of bizarre Americanisms, they could have done sopapillas…
One last note: this is what I’m calling a metacomment on Kat Jones: she’s afraid for her actual physical safety? She’s not living, as far as I can tell, in China (or Russia, etc). She’s not Taylor Swift, and as important as they are to me, the Hugos aren’t something like the Superb Owl. Is she suggesting that the wackos of the extreme right have now infiltrated fandom?
mark: Is she suggesting that the wackos of the extreme right have now infiltrated fandom?
Oh, My Sweet Summer Child.
Not all the whackos are on the extreme right.
@mark–I would not call those newsfeed bits infodumps. They felt like normal news coverage of the “current events” of the novel. Part of the ongoing story.
mark: If your approach is more like Brunner it should work. I liked the Brunner book, and when I learned it was inspired by DosPassos’ technique I checked the first book in the USA trilogy out of the library — and bounced right off it. (It’s been a lot of years — maybe I should try again.)
JJ: excuse me, but I am a leftist, and I’ve yet to run into one that begins to match the SWATters and gun nuts of the right.
Mike: I also picked up USA after I found out, and I actually enjoyed it.
One thing: I read someone calling USA a pastiche, which it is most certainly not. Let me offer this as a defense: it was written in the mid-1920s. There was no TV. Radio? Maybe someone built one, and we’ve all seen pictures of people gathered around one (like for a ball game). Reading the news? Most folks read their local paper(s), which published whatever the owner felt like. By having news clippings, Dos Passos was filling in his readers’ gaps in knowledge of the world that his story was covering. And for me… it works identically.
I’d almost forgotten that my late friend Charlie Williams had done that drawing of Terry Pratchett for the N4 Souvenir Book. Miss him a lot.
Would appreciate it, Mike, if you would add Charlie as a tag.
12) Dear God no!
What’s next? Deep fried chocolate chip-tillas with raspberry drizzled grape compote and wine sauce with aspic covered chicken, beef, and pork byproducts in oil on a lightly burned cactus toast?
Doe people really put all their food in a blender and drink it? How the stomach churns!
(12) There’s a reason it’s also known as “Taco Hell”.
(6) A well done infodump can be a joy to read. I particularly like excerpts from other works of the time. Something from Irulan’s memoirs, or a bit from Wu and Fabricant, or a few paragraphs from Life by Unspeik, Baron Bodissey, that last followed by a critical reaction calling it “Six volumes of rhodomontade and piffle.” Chapter beginnings, where they don’t interrupt the action, are an excellent location for these.
I plead guilty to just liking the idea that there will still be publishing in the far future.
(1) For $350, they better get a stuffed Ookpik too.
(3) A lovely story, apt for the day. Nerd Love, indeed. I’d like to read it if it weren’t for the paywall.
The first time Mr. LT and I met, we left the college dance so he could show me the machine room of the mainframe computers, with all the blinkenlights and spinning tape. Been married 42 years now.
(6) As you know, Bob…
(9) This time, for sure, Rocky!
(12) Chocolate tacos are yummy, and they’re getting them from an ice cream manufacturer, so they ought to be fine. They’ve been around for years, maybe decades? Not sure I’d assay the pie, though I have had Orange Crush pie… in the previous century.
P J Evans says There’s a reason it’s also known as “Taco Hell”.
“No, my dear, if I’m in a weakened state, the last thing I need is your cooking. Huevos rancheros at Taco Hell will set me up to a nicety, if it’s open yet.”
Emma Bull’s Finder: A Novel of The Borderlands
Currently reading Patrick Stewart’s memoir with much enjoyment, and fond memories of the stage productions that I saw.
(9) The Mandalorian, the White Widow, Cousin Richie and Eddie Munson walk onto a spaceship…
(3) You can get at least part of the same story (without the paywall) at:
https://hyperallergic.com/871953/could-this-be-humanitys-earliest-recorded-kiss/
Alas, it lacks the potentially charming nerds-falling-in-love details.
(6) Zanzibar’s infodumps (and other techniques) were very effective for me. I actually felt crowded like a character in the book would feel.
We’ve been debuttoned again.
7) Spaced was written by Simon Pegg and Jessica Haynes, only one of whom is a woman.. She appeared in a Doctor Who episode too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Hynes
Mm..further to the original Hitchikers audio series (on BBC Radio 4) way way back, I remember prior to that very 1st broadcast, a circular given out to attendees at the “One Tun” (1st Thu) London regular SF meeting meeting (and that is still going strong now [ * ] tho the venue has moved). The BBC had leafleted fen there: come to the National Film Theatre early next Sun as an audience for a new radio show. (Groan: early on a Sunday..!) We turned up and I do remember a very tall man at the back (Douglas Adams himself) supervising the event. We were I think to have been added in as a laughter track but in the end the Beeb didnt use it.. And sure enough, a short time later THGTTG appeared on the radio.. and the rest is history.. [ * One Tun : every 1st Thu of every month without fail -1800->closing: upstairs private bar, “Bishops Finger” pub (real craft ale/hot food), London (for internet maps:) EC1A 9JR. Tube: Barbican. Rail: Farringdon. Elizabeth Line: Farringdon (Barbican exit). Order drinks/food on ground floor-food is brought up to you. Fen : local-to-London or just passing through: welcome. SF news/views/gossip etc. Isaac Asimov –on his only UK visit– came in 1974..! ]
There are chapters in Moby Dick – a book that some rate quite highly – devoted to describing the various types of whales, how whales are butchered, etc etc.
2) I know what I’m gonna do on my lunch break now.
3) I was mildly curious but if I have to make an account and log in to read the story, my curiosity shall go unassuaged.
7) I don’t think I’ve ever seen him in a movie that I didn’t enjoy in one way or another.
9) I dunno, I’d rather see a Doctor Doom movie. Doom is less of a villain than Richards is, not least because he’s more honest with himself and everyone else.
12) I had to stop eating at Taco Bell for the same reason I had to stop getting drunk; it hurt too much the next day and I’ve got too much shit to do to spend a day nursing my own bad decisions.
@mark Surely you’re old enough to remember the Weather Underground, and the SLA , and the Maoist This, and the Liberation That, and all the other bomb-throwing, bank robbing People’s Champions. I wonder, though, are you honest enough?
(10) Sorry to hear that about “Madame Web”. IIRC the preview looked kind of neat. Ah, well.
Anyone who says the far left doesn’t have crazies like the far right has not been paying attention.
Just take a careful look at Xitter and Bluesky. Pay even more attention to the red triangle and watermelon emojis. Not all the watermelons are problematic, but some of them? I’ve seen honest longings for a benevolent autocrat. Granted, in that case the person involved was young but…whether legitimate or bot accounts, the left toxicity is out there.
As a former cannabis, labor, and Democratic party political organizer and activist, I’ve seen plenty of the far-left nuttery (cough-cough Revolutionary Communist Party). Especially in Eugene and Portland.
@@Quatermain–
Are you honest enough to notice that hat was two generations ago, and the current violent extremists are from the hard right of the political spectrum?
These days, the Weather Underground is a segment on the Weather Channel, and the young criminals swatting people whose opinions they dislike may well be unaware it was ever anything else. Certainly Mao isn’t considered relevant as anything other than an historical figure, to anyone whose mind isn’t stuck at least two generations ago, these days.
Your attempted point is, at best, a sad attempt at misdirection.
@Lis I hear a lot of -talk- about these far right violent extremists but I don’t actually -see- a whole lot of actual violent extremism, Certainly nothing like the heyday of the aforementioned leftist groups. A lot of what gets reported, once you scrape off the clickbait and hyperbole, seems to boil down to ‘somebody used mean hurty-hurt words on the Internet’ or the assigning of political opinions after the fact under the logic of ‘of course anybody who do X must believe y, who else could do such a thing?’ that does not always bear out, or the ever popular Jussie Smollett type incident.
Anyways, my point, which was neither attempted not misdirected, was that Mark’s assertion that the left does not have/has not had a violent radical fringe is demonstrably untrue.
@@Quatermain–So, SWATting is now just “mean, hurty words,” according to you.
US judge in Trump’s election case subject of apparent ‘swatting’ incident
A Whole Lot of Political Figures Are Getting Swatted Right Now (This article is labeled “free for a limited time)
There’s also sf writer Patrick Tomlinson, who has been repeatedly SWATted, in addition to being subjected to other forms of harassment.
SWATting is sometimes successful in getting people killed.
6) Infodumps are fine when used judiciously and when they are entertaining. I’m not interested in reading the SF equivalent of a Chilton’s manual or a history tome written in 1832. Those books have their purposes. Entertainment isn’t one of their purposes.
Christopher Nuttall’s “Empire Corps” series makes reasonable/measured use of infodumps in the form of poli-sci, history, or technical discussions regarding the fall of the Empire that are brief, informative, focused, and sufficiently entertaining and thus are effective.
@JJ
Yes. Thank you.
Separately, swatting is a bipartisan activity. Of course, with a biased media, it isn’t hard to see where the swatting of Dems would get more prominent coverage than the swatting of the GOP.
“How dare someone SWAT [insert darling Democrat here]! They do such great work!” Section 1, Page 1 above the fold.
“Some Rethuglican got SWATTED. Consequences for the Rethuglican, I guess.” Section 4, Page 19 after the used car ads.
Yes, I’m exaggerating some.
Regards,
Dann
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser – Someone ~2008
@Lis You misunderstand me, which means that either my explanations or your understandings are at fault. I shall not insist upon which is the culprit, but rather strike out in a more productive direction and instead endeavor to clear away the fog.
I did not say, as you seem to think based on your reply, that every single politically charged incident and/or politics related crime was actually just this other more minor thing. What I actually said was that a lot of the things that excitable people in the media and on social media call ‘violent far right extremism’ seemed to fall into three broad general categories.
And even if the examples you provided are actual violent far right extremism (and I remain skeptical, especially re: Tomlinson who, in my admittedly limited dealings with him has presented as…well, we’ll be charitable and say
‘an unreliable narrator.’) that disproves neither my assertion immediately above nor my original assertion that the left has it’s own violent lunatic fringe.
@Quatermain–I’m talking about the violent ones, who are of course the real issue, and not that meanie Taylor Swift telling her fans to register to vote, which got Trumpies all in a dither.
And, oddly, the police seem to believe they’ve responded to SWATting calls at the Tomlinson residence. Also, when I was still on Twitter, I saw the fake accounts designed to make him look like a vile human being, and blocked them.
If you have real evidence that he, rather than you, is the “unreliable narrator,” produce it.
If you want to validate your claim of violent lunatic lefties, in present-day politics, not forty or fifty years ago, produce real news reports from real sources, not empty-headed blithering about groups that haven’t existed in decades.
(7) It’s arguably advisable to avoid accepting a meaty role in a zombie movie.
(9) One eagle-eyed X poster reckons the magazine Ben Grimm’s reading dates back to 1963, so it’s possible this film will be set in a pocket of the Marvel multiverse where the FF is still the first superhero group.
To back Lis up (not that she needs it), a law enforcement agency (the FBI?) identified right-wing extremists as the leading source of domestic national security threats (IIRC). Google brought up a host of article from the last few years from a variety of sources.
Msb saysvTo back Lis up (not that she needs it), a law enforcement agency (the FBI?) identified right-wing extremists as the leading source of domestic national security threats (IIRC). Google brought up a host of article from the last few years from a variety of sources.
Even the ones arrested in Minneapolis for looting and rioting turned out to the likes of Proud Boys and affiliated groups, not BLM members as FOX and other truly reprehensible media labeled them.
You know how hard it is to tell those BLMers apart…
This is an… interesting claim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftermath_of_the_George_Floyd_protests_in_Minneapolis–Saint_Paul
I don’t know about the rioting and looting arrestees in Minneapolis (Were they all Proud Boys? What’s the source for the claim?), but Montez Lee, the guy who set a building on fire in Minneapolis and killed Oscar Stewart, was a BLM supporter and not a Proud Boy.
Some examples of Leftist violence (and in providing these I am not denying right-wing violence):
Jane’s Revenge, an abortion rights group that firebombs crisis pregnancy centers.
James Hodgkinson, left-wing activist and Bernie Sanders supporter who shot up a Republican practice session for the 2017 Congressional Baseball game, wounding Rep. Steve Scalise (R).
Earth Liberation Front, an eco-terrorist group that has firebombed and otherwise burned dozens of buildings worth tens of millions of dollars between 1996-2009.
James J. Lee, an eco-terrorist who, armed with explosives, took hostages in the Discovery Channel’s headquarters and was shot by a SWAT officer.
2019 Dayton OH mass shooter Connor Stephen Betts, who killed 9 and wounded 17 more, and has been identified as a leftist and antifa sympathizer.
Antifa member Michael Reihhoehl shot Aaron Danielson who was in a pro-Trump caravan on 8/29/2020.
On July 7, 2016, Black Nationalist Micah Xavier Johnson killed five Dallas police officers.
On Apr 18, 2017, Black supremacist Kori Ali Muhammad killed 3 White people out of a desire to eliminate White people.
Sep 24, 2017, Emmanuel Kidega Samson, who sympathized with the New Black Panther Party and the Nation of Islam, shot up a church in a suburb of Nashville, killing one and injuring six others (including a man I went to church with growing up).
On Jul 17, 2016, Black separatist Gavin Eugene Long shot six police officers in Baton Rouge, four of whom died.
Jul 13, 2019 — Antifa member Willem van Spronsen firebombed an ICE detention center in Tacoma.
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